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| From | William Poaster <wp@dev.null> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: Can you make living with Linux? |
| Date | 2017-03-30 23:05 +0100 |
| Organization | Llareggub |
| Message-ID | <s2c0rd-1p1.ln1@debian.machineone.org> (permalink) |
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On 30/3/2017 17:39 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, Marek Novotny posted: > On 2017-03-30, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote: >> On 3/28/2017 11:26 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>> On 2017-03-29, Tampon <letsplayfindthestring@bloody.net> wrote: >>>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:36:58 -0500, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>> Walk into a new tech start up and do the same thing. I'm not far >>>>> from Sandhill road. Linux is the norm. >>>> >>>> Now run the numbers. The geeks running Linux are FAR outnumbered >>>> by average Joe running Windows. >>> >>> And this matters to me, why exactly? >> >> Because it proves a 'Developer Survey' means exactly squat in the real >> world. > > Oh do tell. Explain it to use like we're two years old. > >>> I'll concede your point that there are more people using Windows than >>> Linux. >> >> Ya think so, Einstein? > > My friends just call me Marek. And yes for the desktop, more people use > Windows desktop than Linux Desktop. > >>> If that's your point there is no argument from me. My point is >>> simple. Linux is growing and in no small way. Did you look at the >>> developer survey results I posted? >> >> http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017 >> >> >> >>> Of the top ten languages, only one is from Microsoft, that being C#. >>> Most of the languages by far are open source. >> >> TIOBE: 4 of the Top 20 are MS languages (I think Delphi is Windows-only) > > Or 16 of the top 20 are not. Good stat DooFuS. > >> Mar 2017 Mar 2016 Change Programming Language Ratings Change >> 1 1 Java 16.384% -4.14% >> 2 2 C 7.742% -6.86% >> 3 3 C++ 5.184% -1.54% >> 4 4 C# 4.409% +0.14% >> 5 5 Python 3.919% -0.34% >> 6 7 change Visual Basic .NET 3.174% +0.61% >> 7 6 change PHP 3.009% +0.24% >> 8 8 JavaScript 2.667% +0.33% >> 9 11 change Delphi/Object Pascal 2.544% +0.54% >> 10 14 change Swift 2.268% +0.68% >> 11 9 change Perl 2.261% +0.01% >> 12 10 change Ruby 2.254% +0.02% >> 13 12 change Assembly language 2.232% +0.39% >> 14 16 change R 2.016% +0.73% >> 15 13 change Visual Basic 2.008% +0.33% >> 16 15 change Objective-C 1.997% +0.54% >> 17 48 change Go 1.982% +1.78% >> 18 18 MATLAB 1.854% +0.66% >> 19 19 PL/SQL 1.672% +0.48% >> 20 26 change Scratch 1.472% +0.70% >> >>> Windows was the most common platform used by developers, closely >>> followed by Linux. 41% vs 32.9%. >>> >>> Most dreaded language: >>> >>> Visual Basic, 88.3% VBA, 80.4% VB.NET, 77.2% >>> >>> Most wanted languages: >>> >>> Python, 20.6% JavaScript, 18.6% Go, 13.5% C++, 11.8% Java, 11.7% >>> >>> See the trend?? >> >> I think I do: all 8 of those languages are available for Windows, but >> only 5 for Linux. > > Are you saying Linux has no capability for C#? > >>> Most loved platform >>> >>> #1, Linux, 69% >> >> Even the World's Ugliest Dog gets love from somebody. > > yeah, the majority loved Linux. LOL. > >>> Most Wanted platform >>> >>> #1 Android >> >> Stolen from iOS. > > Nope. But please, this will also be fun for me so again think carefully > how you answer this DooFuS cause I so love making you my monkey-bitch. > Explain to us all how Google stole Android from iOS according to you. Go > ahead. Don't run away like a little girl again. Just do your best and > make your case. Then I'll pull it apart and make a fool out of you. > >> And Google might be replacing the Android kernel even as we speak. > > With? > >>> Most Dreaded >>> >>> #1 Sharepoint SalesForce WordPress Windows Phone MainFrame Windows >>> Desktop >>> >>> In the dreaded category, Linux came in DEAD LAST. >> >> As it does in the 'What do the 3 billion computer users in the world run?' > > This is a developer survey. You do know how to read, don't you? Are you > now claiming that there are 3 billion Windows developers? This will also > be fun. Show us all where you got that figure DooFuS. > >> Linux == DEAD LAST >> >> If that crap wasn't given away for free, it would just be DEAD. > > Oh, care to site that? Or are you just expressing your opinion? > >>> Look at the numbers any way you like. Windows is doing nothing but >>> losing ground. >> >> Where else do you go from 97% marketshare (in the mid-late 90s)? > > Indeed, where else... Windows is losing market share. > >> 20 years later and Windows has lost about 7% desktop marketshare, while >> their revenue friggin' skyrocketed. > > I'll accept that. If we look at 2002 earnings, which were at $5.36bn and > we look at 2016 we can see $16.8bn. So they are earning roughly three > times in 2016 what they earned in 2002. > > Let's look at Apple from 2005 to 2016. Their earnings went from $1.13bn > to $45.69bn. > > And Google from 2001 to 2015, they went from mere millions to $16.34bn > > Yes, Microsoft has done well. But it's peers have caught up and passed > them. They completely lost mobile. Developers dread the platform. Most > of the languages are completely open and don't require Microsoft. Most > of the back end is LINUX these days. > >> Linux has gained at most 1.5%, while being given away for free. > > I think you're again focused on the desktop. Lots of ways to look at > the pie. Most of the web runs on Linux. Most of the cloud is Linux. More > than 85% of mobile is running on Linux. If you wish to cherry pick the > desktop, knock yourself out. But in the grand scheme of things, Windows > is losing. > >>> And think about this. Why did Microsoft out of the blue decide to >>> include a Linux environment in Windows 10. Isn't it obvious just by >>> looking at this survey data. Windows is the #1 dreaded development >>> platform. Linux is the #1 most LOVED platform. >> >> By a tiny number of computer geeks. It's not impressive. > > I'm sure you always waste a decade of your life on things you're not > impressed with. :P > >>> https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/03/22/now-live-stack-overflow-developer-survey-2017-results/ >> >>>Virtually every technology for the cloud was developed on and for >>> Linux. >> >> We'll wait for all your evidence to support this statement. >> >> >>> Raspberry Pi, which is wildly popular, all Linux. You got the cloud, >>> the web, IoT all of it Linux. >> >> What a lying sack of shit you are, m4r3K. > > Truth can be a brutal son of a bitch, huh. > >>> This is the future, bud. Microsoft has but one remaining foot hold, >>> which is the average user desktop. Pretty much everything else has >>> gone Linux. And that desktop is next. >> >> heh! Keep hope alive! >> >> You morons have been spewing that for at least 20 years. And it's no >> closer to becoming reality today than it was back then. > > Much closer. Chromebooks outsell MacBooks in North America and own over > 50% of the market, and those run on Linux. I bet you know people that > own one or two. They use Linux DooFuS. Do you see all those Android > phones all around you DooFuS, they're running Linux, too. We already > won. You didn't get the memo. > >>> You won't see as much in North America. You will however see it >>> everywhere else. >> >> No, you won't. > > Yes, you will. > >>> How much business has GoogleDocs already taken from Microsoft? Did >>> you know the ChromeBook in north america out sells Apple's notebooks. >>> Did you know it owns a majority of all education in north america. >>> Mobile, using Android, the #1 platform BY FAR, running on the Linux >>> kernel. No Microsoft license. >> >> Android is given away for free, and it runs on the cheapest phones, >> owned by the cheapest users, with the lowest IQs, who spend the least >> online shopping. Facts. > > Oh you must not be looking at the sale price for the Google Pixel, the > HTC, LG or Samsung Galaxy and Note lines. They are all in the same > ballpack as the iPhone. > >> And, are you sure Android runs on a Linux kernel? Show us where they >> talk about it on the Android website. > > Sure DooFuS, let me help you out. > > https://source.android.com/source/index.html > >>> So when you see DooFuS saying Microsoft is doomed, and he's joking, >>> his joke is one of those half jokes. He's frankly not too sure. >> >> I'm quite sure you're a moron. It's hard to overstate the idiocy of >> anyone who actually believes MS is "doomed by the Linux juggernaut". > > It is. > >> * since 2010 MS has garnered right at $550 billion in revenue >> * around 3 billion people run Windows >> * 1.2 billion people run MS Office >> * they sell and support dozens of products >> * XBox and PC gaming is a $multi-billion business for MS >> * one game (Halo) and one app (SharePoint) together generate about as >> much revenue as RedHat does every year (LMAO!) >> >> >> Think about all that, dunce. >> >> Your world will shut down LONG before Microsoft's. > > Not a chance. Every new technology coming out is running on Linux. Your > phone, your TV, the Internet of Things, your washer, dryer, etc. No one > gives a shit about Windows anymore. > >>> Microsoft used to be the biggest tech company. Both Google and Apple >>> are bigger and more profitable. If Apple holds a press conference, >>> the web covers it. If Microsoft holds a press conference, no one >>> gives a shit. >>> >>> You got Office, and Azure is doing well, even if over 40% of the >>> business it generates is directly from running Linux on Azure. Which >>> I personally find funny as hell. Ask yourself, what's hosted in the >>> cloud the most, Linux or Windows? It's Linux. We both know this. >> >> Do you now? Prove it. >> >> As of 1.5 years ago, Microsoft Office 365 was the most popular cloud app >> among businesses. >> >> https://www.onmsft.com/news/office-365-is-the-most-widely-used-cloud-application-among-businesses > > A cloud app, yes it is doing well. But did you know there are 1 billion > active gmail users. What does gmail run on, DooFuS? Linux. It's a cloud > app is it not? Isn't facebook a cloud app? How many active users are on > Facebook? More than a billion DooFuS. See what I mean pinto bean? We're > unstoppable. Do you think SnapChat runs on Windows? LOL. Each time you > see a new app in mobile it likely runs on Linux in the back end. It > likely doesn't require Microsoft in any way. Those new billionaires are > becoming rich running off Linux. Windows and Microsoft matter less and > less. > >>> Where is Microsoft in the top 500 super computers? NO WHERE. They >>> don't exist. Not a single one is running Windows. Not one. >> >> Back in the day a Windows HPC system debuted high on the Top 500 list, >> and smoked hundreds of slow Linux dogs. > > Sorry, where are they today? Oh no where. Not one single top 500 system > at all. One wonders why that is so. > >>> All the major stock exchanges are running Linux. >>> >>> Google, Facebook, Amazon... What do these run on? Linux. >> >> You sure about that? > > Quite sure. > >> "Amazon RDS >> Managed Relational Database Service for MySQL, PostgreSQL, MariaDB, >> Oracle BYOL, or SQL Server" >> >>> What does most of the web run on? Linux. >> >> "Microsoft's market share of sites now stands just below 40%, though >> this remains nearly as much as Apache and nginx combined." >> >> https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2017/03/24/march-2017-web-server-survey.html#more-24291 >> >> >> And that's with Linux being given away - and nothing spells 'kualitee' >> like 'free of cost'. > > That's quite interesting DooFuS. Perhaps you should re-read your own > link a little more carefully. What exactly do you think it says? :) HA > HA > >>> What's growing?? LINUX. >> >> Apparently a tumor inside your misshapen skull. > > Nope. Just had an MRI with and without contrast. Brain looking good. > >>> Why else are WinTards wasting a decade of their lives in the Linux >>> Advocacy group? FEAR, that's why. HA HA HA. You guys are scared out >>> of your minds. >> >> From where I sit, it's YOU who sounds scared. Petrified, even. You >> shout and scream like Jerry Sandusky just invited you over for 'dinner >> and dessert'. > > Nope. If I was scared I might be in a Windows group trying to talk shit > about Windows. Know what I mean pinto bean? Heh, heh,heh. DooFu$ frothing again! The fact is, & DooFu$ won't like it, is that in the *overall* world of computing, M$ is a bit player. Hell, they even run *their* cloud using Linux & *not* windows. -- The troll is but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: his is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. (With acknowledgement to W.S.)
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