Re: another hint of quantum consciousness

From	john larkin <JL@gct.com>
Newsgroups	sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: another hint of quantum consciousness
Date	2024-09-15 09:08 -0700
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On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 23:28:40 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in message news:kaicejdhq0cudpivno5qmtes8al3tu8hje@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 17:04:32 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in message news:31kbejpg6dos3fdm81oq42a4rgcenu4lk1@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:36:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 9/14/24 17:13, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum-basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes away when
>>>>>> an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be quantified.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I paraphrase: "Since we don't know how it works, it must be quantum".
>>>>
>>>> Or, more conventionally, "It can't be quantum because QM only works at
>>>> liquid helium temperatures."
>>>>
>>>>>That's it then: Quantum-something is merely religion. The god of the
>>>>>gaps.
>>>>>
>>>>>There's a lot of quantum nonsense about. This is just one example.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, explain how we can name one image out of maybe a million stored
>>>> images, in a fraction of a second.
>>>
>>>In a way which is similar to the way this does it.
>>>https://www.google.com/search?&q=eiffel+tower&udm=2
>>>Just in reverse.
>>>So choose any of the above images and save it.
>>>Now go here
>>>https://images.google.com/
>>>And upload the image and see how long it takes for the words "eiffel tower" to appear.
>>>
>>>Also it's possible you might not know the correct spelling.
>>>https://www.google.com/search?&q=ifle+tower&udm=2
>
>Does the lack of response here mean that you agree that I provided a valid explanation of how
>"we can name one image out of maybe a million stored images, in a fraction of a second." ?
>
>No-one is suggesting that Google does it exactly the same way the human brain does
>but you asked for an explanation of how it is possible.
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Face and voice recognition are similarly amazing.
>>>
>>>But it is becoming much easier to do them without a human brain as time goes by.
>>>
>>
>> Of course, the machines and the code that do google's image matching
>> were designed by people.
>>
>
>You mean like
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaGo_Zero
>is just code so all it can do is something like
>if {player makes this move} then {respond with that move} ?
>
>If you're going to stick with the idea that something designed people then what designed the thing which designed people and what 
>designed the thing which designed the thing which designed people?
>
>What are you going to say when a thing designed by people becomes able to design electronic circuits better than you can?
>
>
>

I check up now and then on FLUX.AI,  just for fun.

A while back they were looking to hire a bunch of full-stack software
types and one hardware intern.

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  Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2024-09-14 16:20 +0000
    Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-14 10:29 -0700
    Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> - 2024-09-14 19:48 +0000
      Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2024-09-15 05:48 +0000
  Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2024-09-14 13:03 -0400
    Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-14 10:33 -0700
      Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2024-09-14 14:38 -0400
        Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-14 12:02 -0700
          Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2024-09-14 21:28 +0200
            Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-09-14 14:35 -0700
              Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-14 19:26 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-15 15:31 +1000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-15 08:17 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-16 16:40 +1000
            Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-14 19:18 -0700
              Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-15 15:41 +1000
              Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2024-09-15 11:24 +0200
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-15 21:37 +1000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-15 08:45 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-15 12:00 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-16 16:45 +1000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-15 08:42 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-16 16:57 +1000
            Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2024-09-15 18:54 -0400
              Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-16 17:03 +1000
          Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-15 15:28 +1000
          Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2024-09-15 18:46 -0400
            Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-15 16:41 -0700
              Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-16 17:06 +1000
      Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-15 15:25 +1000
  Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2024-09-14 19:36 +0200
    Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-14 11:08 -0700
      Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2024-09-14 21:18 +0200
        Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-14 19:39 -0700
          Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-14 20:03 -0700
            Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-15 15:56 +1000
              Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2024-09-15 10:53 +0000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-15 21:27 +1000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2024-09-15 16:44 +0200
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-16 01:03 +1000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-15 08:48 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> - 2024-09-15 17:03 +0000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-16 17:19 +1000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-16 07:59 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-17 02:14 +1000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> - 2024-09-18 17:07 +0000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-19 14:16 +1000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-19 14:17 +1000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-16 17:08 +1000
          Re: another hint of quantum consciousness "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-14 23:42 -0400
          Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-15 15:53 +1000
          Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2024-09-15 11:32 +0200
            Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-15 09:02 -0700
              Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-16 17:25 +1000
        Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-09-14 20:19 -0700
          Re: another hint of quantum consciousness "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-14 23:44 -0400
            Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-09-14 21:00 -0700
        Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2024-09-15 05:30 +0000
          Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-15 17:07 +1000
      Re: another hint of quantum consciousness "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-14 17:04 -0400
        Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-14 19:43 -0700
          Re: another hint of quantum consciousness "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-14 23:28 -0400
            Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-09-14 20:53 -0700
            Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-15 09:08 -0700
              Re: another hint of quantum consciousness "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-15 13:19 -0400
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-15 11:47 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-15 15:00 -0400
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-09-16 01:21 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-16 08:14 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-17 02:06 +1000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2024-09-17 04:57 +0000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-17 07:25 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> - 2024-09-15 23:48 +0000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-15 18:06 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> - 2024-09-16 13:02 +0000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-16 17:39 +1000

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