Re: another hint of quantum consciousness

From	Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
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Subject	Re: another hint of quantum consciousness
Date	2024-09-15 10:53 +0000
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On a sunny day (Sun, 15 Sep 2024 15:56:16 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vc5su1$200qt$6@dont-email.me>:

>On 15/09/2024 1:03 pm, john larkin wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:39:20 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:18:44 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/14/24 20:08, john larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:36:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/14/24 17:13, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum-basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes away when
>>>>>>> an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be quantified.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I paraphrase: "Since we don't know how it works, it must be quantum".
>>>>>
>>>>> Or, more conventionally, "It can't be quantum because QM only works at
>>>>> liquid helium temperatures."
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's it then: Quantum-something is merely religion. The god of the
>>>>>> gaps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a lot of quantum nonsense about. This is just one example.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, explain how we can name one image out of maybe a million stored
>>>>> images, in a fraction of a second.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that's the typical comeback of religious believers.
>>>
>>> I don't recall invoking religion here, or calling myself a believer. I
>>> was asking about image storage and high-speed matching. It's even more
>>> amazing when you consider all the optical distortions and viewing
>>> angles and changes in illumination and motion effects in real life; we
>>> don't match nice flat photos.
>>>
>>> How are our collections of images stored?
>>>
>>> When some people encounter an unwelcome idea, they call the people
>>> that they disagree with bible bangers, and assume they have won the
>>> argument.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know how it works. Let's find out. AI seems to be
>>>> getting there, and it requires no quantum theory. Just loads
>>>> of data and a lot of matrix math.
>>>
>>> You are determined to exclude the possibility that are brains use QM.
>>>
>>> Given that most all physics and chemistry is fundamentally quantum
>>> mechanical, why would evolution refuse to allow cells to use quantum
>>> effects?
>>>
>>> Most people don't really believe in evolution.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jeroen Belleman
>> 
>> It would be pretty good packing, storing one bit of data per atom.
>> 
>> https://interestingengineering.com/science/wobble-nucleus-of-atom-quantum-data
>> 
>> or maybe more than one.
>> 
>> Nice possibilities for quantum correlation, pattern matching, too.
>
>If evolution is that clever, why doesn't it exploit error-detecton and 
>-correction coding?
>Bill Sloman, Sydney

It does all the time in RNA DNA
I was reading this stuff this morning:
 Explaning DNA organisation in chromosomes:
 https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/09/240912135801.htm
 http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/sstr.202400203
  there is still a lot to learn

design something, write some code, show us.
plenty of broken records around, not interesting.





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  Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2024-09-14 16:20 +0000
    Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-14 10:29 -0700
    Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> - 2024-09-14 19:48 +0000
      Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2024-09-15 05:48 +0000
  Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2024-09-14 13:03 -0400
    Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-14 10:33 -0700
      Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2024-09-14 14:38 -0400
        Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-14 12:02 -0700
          Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2024-09-14 21:28 +0200
            Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-09-14 14:35 -0700
              Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-14 19:26 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-15 15:31 +1000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-15 08:17 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-16 16:40 +1000
            Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-14 19:18 -0700
              Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-15 15:41 +1000
              Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2024-09-15 11:24 +0200
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-15 21:37 +1000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-15 08:45 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-15 12:00 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-16 16:45 +1000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-15 08:42 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-16 16:57 +1000
            Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2024-09-15 18:54 -0400
              Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-16 17:03 +1000
          Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-15 15:28 +1000
          Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2024-09-15 18:46 -0400
            Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-15 16:41 -0700
              Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-16 17:06 +1000
      Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-15 15:25 +1000
  Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2024-09-14 19:36 +0200
    Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-14 11:08 -0700
      Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2024-09-14 21:18 +0200
        Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-14 19:39 -0700
          Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-14 20:03 -0700
            Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-15 15:56 +1000
              Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2024-09-15 10:53 +0000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-15 21:27 +1000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2024-09-15 16:44 +0200
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-16 01:03 +1000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-15 08:48 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> - 2024-09-15 17:03 +0000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-16 17:19 +1000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-16 07:59 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-17 02:14 +1000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> - 2024-09-18 17:07 +0000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-19 14:16 +1000
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                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-16 17:08 +1000
          Re: another hint of quantum consciousness "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-14 23:42 -0400
          Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-15 15:53 +1000
          Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2024-09-15 11:32 +0200
            Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-15 09:02 -0700
              Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-16 17:25 +1000
        Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-09-14 20:19 -0700
          Re: another hint of quantum consciousness "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-14 23:44 -0400
            Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-09-14 21:00 -0700
        Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2024-09-15 05:30 +0000
          Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-15 17:07 +1000
      Re: another hint of quantum consciousness "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-14 17:04 -0400
        Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-14 19:43 -0700
          Re: another hint of quantum consciousness "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-14 23:28 -0400
            Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-09-14 20:53 -0700
            Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-15 09:08 -0700
              Re: another hint of quantum consciousness "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-15 13:19 -0400
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-15 11:47 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-15 15:00 -0400
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-09-16 01:21 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-16 08:14 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-17 02:06 +1000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2024-09-17 04:57 +0000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-17 07:25 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> - 2024-09-15 23:48 +0000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness john larkin <JL@gct.com> - 2024-09-15 18:06 -0700
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> - 2024-09-16 13:02 +0000
                Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-09-16 17:39 +1000

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