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Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law

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Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:
> Le 16/12/2023 à 23:03, Jim Pennino a écrit :
>> Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My experiment shows that a magnetic force that is parallel to the test 
>>> current rotates the coil, so parallel-to-current magnetic force exists. 
>>> But it is not described by Lorentz force law because Lorentz force is 
>>> perpendicular to the test current. 
>>> 
>>> In consequence, parallel-to-current magnetic force cannot be described 
>>> with magnetic field because Lorentz force equal the vectorial product of 
>>> current I and magnetic field B. Then electromagnetism need a field that is 
>>> more then B. This is a radical change in the theory of electromagnetism 
>>> and a revolution.
>> 
>> Yet more arm waving.
> 
> I do not see what is and what is not arm waving for you. I feel that if 
> the thing I say is already understood and accepted by you it is not arm 
> waving, if you do not accept, it is arm waving. Imagine that you read the 
> theory of relativity, the book does not arm wave, but if it is Einstein 
> who tells you that time slows down and that you have no idea about 
> relativity, then he is arm waving. 

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand-waving:

"Hand-waving (with various spellings) is a pejorative label for
attempting to be seen as effective – in word, reasoning, or deed – while
actually doing nothing effective or substantial.[1] It is often applied
to debating techniques that involve fallacies, misdirection and the
glossing over of details.[2] It is also used academically to indicate
unproven claims and skipped steps in proofs (sometimes intentionally, as
in lectures and instructional materials), with some specific meanings in
particular fields, including literary criticism, speculative fiction,
mathematics, logic, science and engineering."
> 
> I said that parallel-to-current magnetic force exists. It is arm waving 
> for you. For you to accept this idea, I have to teach the whole theory 
> which cannot be done here. However, parallel-to-current magnetic force is 
> shown by experiment and is true. I do not know how to explain it without 
> you thinking I’m arm waving. 

See above.

> 
>> 
>> What you describe is NOT a propeller but a rocket, and ion rockets have
>> been around for many decades.
>> 
>> So what would change?
> 
> Yes, ion rockets have been around for many decades. But ion rocket that is 
> propelled by parallel-to-current magnetic force does not. Is internal 
> combustion engine not new because steam engine have been around for many 
> decades? Internal combustion engines use petrol while steam engines use 
> steam. So, ion rocket that is propelled by parallel-to-current magnetic 
> force is a new idea, although it is not sure that it will work.

All the above blather about engines is a perfect example of arm waving.
Nothing you said has anything whatsoever to do with a "new" theory of
electromagnetics.

Nor have you said anything about how your "new theory" ion rocket would
be any different than conventional ion rockets.

>>> Also, the magnetic confinement of plasma in Tokamak is designed with 
>>> Lorentz force law which does not work with parallel-to-current magnetic 
>>> force. But this force really matters for high temperature ions which bite 
>>> into the wall. So, parallel-to-current magnetic force will surely improve 
>>> the design and the work of nuclear fusion apparatus
>>> 
>> 
>> Ions which bite?
> 
> Yes, hot plasma melts spot of the wall of the chamber of a Tokamak. 

Melt and bite are two entirely different things.

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Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> - 2023-12-15 18:25 +0000
  Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-12-15 10:40 -0800
    Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> - 2023-12-15 21:49 +0000
      Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-12-15 14:55 -0800
        Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> - 2023-12-15 23:03 +0000
          Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-12-15 16:43 -0800
            Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> - 2023-12-16 10:46 +0000
              Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-12-16 08:24 -0800
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> - 2023-12-16 18:43 +0000
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-12-16 11:02 -0800
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> - 2023-12-16 19:27 +0000
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-12-16 11:40 -0800
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> - 2023-12-16 21:18 +0000
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-12-16 14:03 -0800
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> - 2023-12-16 23:45 +0000
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-12-17 08:56 -0800
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> - 2023-12-18 20:14 +0000
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-12-18 13:08 -0800
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> - 2023-12-19 16:37 +0000
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-12-19 09:07 -0800
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> - 2023-12-20 23:09 +0000
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-12-20 15:33 -0800
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> - 2023-12-21 00:39 +0000
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-12-20 18:48 -0800
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> - 2023-12-21 15:01 +0000
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-12-21 07:48 -0800
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> - 2023-12-22 19:29 +0000
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-12-22 11:46 -0800
                Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> - 2024-06-07 14:32 +0000

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