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Re: Restrain from others onto you and becoming one with ALL!

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Tang Huyen wrote:

>On 9/16/2019 9:55 AM, tregroes wrote:
>
>> I don't yet know the real question the OP is asking so my reply is an
>> attempt to get that clarified. However, I don't agree that such
>> inquiry is wasted or merely speculative. All we have is experience,
>> and while one can sit and groove on content as you propose, direct
>> inquiry into the nature of mind and experience would seem to go
>> deeper. This is my understanding of turning the light of consciousness
>> back on itself. It isn't a solely intellectual process but the
>> intellect has to frame the question, the mystery, in the first place
>> and keep pace thereafter.
>>
>> (not L R, btw)
>
>The OP is confused and confusing, and you want
>(I think) to narrow down his confusion to get
>what sense could be squeezed from it, and this
>firming up is performed necessarily from the
>outside. Admirable attempt, but the OP is a
>confirmed eel-wriggler, perhaps because of
>some defect in his mind caused by his Sch,
>perhaps because of some intention to be
>slippery. I have never seen him come down
>firmly on any position...

That doesn't make me less interested in exploring the question if
that's what is wanted.


 Perhaps he is smart
>enough to fool people into thinking that he is
>crazy. Perhaps he plays the Evil Genius (le
>génie malin) of Descartes, or even the God of
>Descartes, but to me he is no simple-minded
>fool. He cannot be pushed around.
>
>As to eko hensho "turning the light of
>consciousness back on itself" (hui guang fan
>zhao ????), the very act of turning
>consciousness on itself is a framing of
>mind, which undoes all framings of mind. As
>such, it eases all opinions, views, concepts,
>etc. out of the way, leaving itself
>(consciousness) alone, in its utter purity...

Can I take it that you speak from experience here and that this has
occurred with you?


>and all along the way, it (the method, fa ?)
>has no content, at least no content specific
>to itself. Aristotle says that the eye must
>have no colour in order to see all colours.
>"Turning the light of consciousness back on
>itself" is the putting in practice of such
>an insight.
>
>By the way, I meant in another thread that
>somebody has lost all balance and perspective,
>all "turning the light of consciousness back
>on itself" (in plain language, self-reflection).
>He is washed away by his immediate situation,
>as taken by him. He has no detachment from his
>immediate situation, as understood by him, so
>that he can stand back and look at it
>objectively. This is the exact opposite of
>mindfulness.

There are two or three possible meanings to self-reflection which need
to be identified: there is introspective examination of one's thoughts
and feelings after the fact; there is ongoing noticing of one's
in-the-moment responses; and there is the eko hensho that you
describe. I think only the latter merits the title of 'turning back
the light' because the other two are intentional acts, and what is
significant about the third is that it can't be done; you can't go to
it, it has to come to you. It differs in that respect from the
practice of mindfulness which, I take it, results -or can result- in
the "skinned alive" state you mentioned elsewhere.

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Restrain from others onto you and becoming one with ALL! angelovechildlikesoul <rainbowguardian@web.de> - 2019-09-16 10:19 +0200
  Re: Restrain from others onto you and becoming one with ALL! tregroes <noti@nowear.com> - 2019-09-16 13:44 +0100
    Re: Restrain from others onto you and becoming one with ALL! Tang Huyen <tanghuyen@gmail.com> - 2019-09-16 09:22 -0700
      Re: Restrain from others onto you and becoming one with ALL! tregroes <noti@nowear.com> - 2019-09-16 17:55 +0100
        Re: Restrain from others onto you and becoming one with ALL! Tang Huyen <tanghuyen@gmail.com> - 2019-09-16 10:52 -0700
          Re: Restrain from others onto you and becoming one with ALL! tregroes <noti@nowear.com> - 2019-09-16 22:04 +0100
            Re: Restrain from others onto you and becoming one with ALL! Tang Huyen <tanghuyen@gmail.com> - 2019-09-16 14:56 -0700
            Re: Restrain from others onto you and becoming one with ALL! Tang Huyen <tanghuyen@gmail.com> - 2019-09-16 16:25 -0700
    Re: Restrain from others onto you and becoming one with ALL! angelovechildlikesoul <rainbowguardian@web.de> - 2019-09-17 00:54 +0200
      Re: Restrain from others onto you and becoming one with ALL! tregroes <noti@nowear.com> - 2019-09-17 00:22 +0100
        Re: Restrain from others onto you and becoming one with ALL! angelovechildlikesoul <rainbowguardian@web.de> - 2019-09-17 01:25 +0200
  Re: Restrain from others onto you and becoming one with ALL! David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> - 2019-09-18 01:40 -0230
    Re: Restrain from others onto you and becoming one with ALL! angelovechildlikesoul <rainbowguardian@web.de> - 2019-09-18 08:55 +0200

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