Re: Is Unicode support so hard...

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From	Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com>
Date	2013-04-20 20:15 +0200
Subject	Re: Is Unicode support so hard...
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
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On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Benjamin Kaplan
<benjamin.kaplan@case.edu> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> wrote:
>> On 4/20/2013 1:12 PM, jmfauth wrote:
>>>
>>> In a previous post,
>>>
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/6aec70817705c226#
>>> ,
>>>
>>> Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote:
>>>
>>> “Is Unicode support so hard, especially in the 21st century?”
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Unicode is not really complicate and it works very well (more
>>> than two decades of development if you take into account
>>> iso-14****).
>>>
>>> But, - I can say, "as usual" - people prefer to spend their
>>> time to make a "better Unicode than Unicode" and it usually
>>> fails. Python does not escape to this rule.
>>>
>>> -----
>>>
>>> I'm "busy" with TeX (unicode engine variant), fonts and typography.
>>> This gives me plenty of ideas to test the "flexible string
>>> representation" (FSR). I should recognize this FSR is failing
>>> particulary very well...
>>>
>>> I can almost say, a delight.
>>>
>>> jmf
>>> Unicode lover
>>
>> I'm totally confused about what you are saying.  What does "make a better
>> Unicode than Unicode" mean?  Are you saying that Python is guilty of this?
>> In what way?  Can you provide specifics?  Or are you saying that you like
>> how Python has implemented it?  "FSR is failing ... a delight"?  I don't
>> know what you mean.
>>
>> --Ned.
>
> Don't bother trying to figure this out. jmfauth has been hijacking
> every thread that mentions Unicode to complain about the flexible
> string representation introduced in Python 3.3. Apparently, having
> proper Unicode semantics (indexing is based on characters, not code
> points) at the expense of performance when calling .replace on the
> only non-ASCII or BMP character in the string is a horrible bug.
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Don’t forget the original context: this was a short remark to a guy I
was responding to.  His newsgroups software (slrn according to the
headers) mangled the encoding of U+201C and U+201D in my From field,
turning them into three question marks each.  And jmf started a rant,
as usual…

PS. There are two fancy Unicode characters around.  Can you find both
of them, jmf?

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Is Unicode support so hard... jmfauth <wxjmfauth@gmail.com> - 2013-04-20 10:12 -0700
  Re: Is Unicode support so hard... Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-04-20 13:22 -0400
  Re: Is Unicode support so hard... Benjamin Kaplan <benjamin.kaplan@case.edu> - 2013-04-20 11:02 -0700
  Re: Is Unicode support so hard... Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 04:14 +1000
  Re: Is Unicode support so hard... Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2013-04-20 20:15 +0200
  Re: Is Unicode support so hard... Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-04-20 19:18 +0100
  Re: Is Unicode support so hard... Neil Hodgson <nhodgson@iinet.net.au> - 2013-04-21 09:03 +1000
    Re: Is Unicode support so hard... rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-04-20 18:37 -0700
      Re: Is Unicode support so hard... Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-04-21 03:36 +0000
        Re: Is Unicode support so hard... Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 13:42 +1000
      Re: Is Unicode support so hard... Terry Jan Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-04-21 05:02 -0400
      Re: Is Unicode support so hard... Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-04-21 13:03 +0100
  Re: Is Unicode support so hard... Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-04-20 18:06 -0700
  Re: Is Unicode support so hard... 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2013-04-20 23:09 -0700

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