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Re: Classic OOP in Python

From Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se>
Subject Re: Classic OOP in Python
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Date 2015-06-18 00:22 +0200
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In a message of Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:33:43 -0700, sohcahtoa82@gmail.com writes:

>I had a Java class where we had to learn TDD, and that's the way TDD
>was taught to us, and I hated it.  We watched a video of this guy
>explaining TDD with a hat that was red on the front and green on the
>back.  It involved writing a simple failing unit test, then write
>code to fix it, then refactor the tests and/or code.  As an in-class
>exercise, we had to write an implementation of Conway's Game of Life.
>I threw TDD out the window and just wrote the damn program in under
>15 minutes, then another 10 minutes to write unit tests that tested
>every possible code branch and several invalid inputs.  Meanwhile,
>the people doing TDD the "right" way didn't even have a complete
>program after over an hour.  The brand of TTD we were taught would
>end up multiplying development time by at least a factor of 3, and by
>the time you were done, at least 75% of the tests you had written
>will have been removed due to rampant refactoring.  IMO, that kind of
>TTD is an utter waste of time.

I'd hate that too.  But that's not the TDD I know, or teach.  Please
don't write off TDD as a result of this experience.

Laura

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Classic OOP in Python "Jason P." <suscricions@gmail.com> - 2015-06-17 12:21 -0700
  Re: Classic OOP in Python Skip Montanaro <skip.montanaro@gmail.com> - 2015-06-17 14:38 -0500
  Re: Classic OOP in Python Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2015-06-17 12:44 -0700
    Re: Classic OOP in Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-06-17 23:39 +0300
      Re: Classic OOP in Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-06-17 22:07 +0100
      Re: Classic OOP in Python Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2015-06-17 14:14 -0700
        Re: Classic OOP in Python Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-06-18 00:33 +0200
          Re: Classic OOP in Python Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2015-06-17 15:55 -0700
        Re: Classic OOP in Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-06-18 11:50 +0100
        Re: Classic OOP in Python Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-06-19 01:01 +0200
        Re: Classic OOP in Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-06-20 23:52 +0100
        Re: Classic OOP in Python Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-06-21 10:26 +0200
      Re: Classic OOP in Python sohcahtoa82@gmail.com - 2015-06-17 14:33 -0700
        Re: Classic OOP in Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-06-17 22:49 +0100
        Re: Classic OOP in Python Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-06-18 00:22 +0200
        Re: Classic OOP in Python Marco Buttu <marco.buttu@gmail.com> - 2015-06-18 11:00 +0200
      Re: Classic OOP in Python Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-06-18 00:09 +0200
      Re: Classic OOP in Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-06-17 23:27 +0100
      Re: Classic OOP in Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-06-18 08:58 +1000
        Re: Classic OOP in Python Cousin Stanley <cousinstanley@gmail.com> - 2015-06-18 08:10 -0700
      Re: Classic OOP in Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-06-17 19:46 -0400
      Re: Classic OOP in Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-06-18 10:07 +1000
      Re: Classic OOP in Python "Jason P." <suscricions@gmail.com> - 2015-06-18 04:24 -0700
    Re: Classic OOP in Python "Jason P." <suscricions@gmail.com> - 2015-06-18 04:21 -0700
      Re: Classic OOP in Python Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2015-06-18 04:54 -0700
    Re: Classic OOP in Python "Jason P." <suscricions@gmail.com> - 2015-06-18 04:22 -0700
  Re: Classic OOP in Python sohcahtoa82@gmail.com - 2015-06-17 14:16 -0700
    Re: Classic OOP in Python Fabien <fabien.maussion@gmail.com> - 2015-06-18 13:03 +0200
      Re: Classic OOP in Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-06-18 14:25 +0300
      Re: Classic OOP in Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-06-18 21:43 +1000

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