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| Date | 2013-06-26 12:56 +0200 |
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| From | Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> |
| Subject | Re: What is the semantics meaning of 'object'? |
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Op 26-06-13 00:27, Mark Janssen schreef:
>> The main problem is getting to the top/end of the call chain. Classic
>> example is with __init__, but the same problem can also happen with
>> other calls. Just a crazy theory, but would it be possible to
>> construct a black-holing object that, for any given method name,
>> returns a dummy function that ignores its args? (Other forms of
>> attribute lookup aren't going to be a problem, I think, so this can be
>> just methods/functions.) Then you just subclass from that all the
>> time, instead of from object itself, and you should be able to safely
>> call super's methods with whatever kwargs you haven't yourself
>> processed. Would that work?
>>
>> Caveat: I have not done much with MI in Python, so my idea may be
>> complete balderdash.
> Here's how it *should* be made: the most superest, most badassed
> object should take care of its children. New instances should
> automatically call up the super chain (and not leave it up to the
> subclasses), so that the parent classes can take care of the chil'en.
> When something goes wrong the parent class has to look in and see
> what's wrong.
Could you explain why you think it should work this way? Maybe illustrate
how this is supposed to work.
Let take a very simple example. We have a class that works with a stream
(anything with a write method).
class Streamer:
def __init__(self, strm):
...
Now we find that we very often use this class with a file, so we would
like to make a subclass that takes a filename as parameter. This we would
write somehow like the following
class Filer(Streamer):
def __init__(self, fn):
fl = open(fn, "a+")
super.__init__(fl)
...
Can you explain how this example should be written en work as you view things?
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Re: What is the semantics meaning of 'object'? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-06-23 13:05 -0600
Re: What is the semantics meaning of 'object'? Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-06-26 13:37 -0700
Re: What is the semantics meaning of 'object'? Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-06-23 13:33 -0700
Re: What is the semantics meaning of 'object'? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-06-23 21:33 +0200
Re: What is the semantics meaning of 'object'? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-06-25 11:44 -0600
Re: What is the semantics meaning of 'object'? Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-06-25 14:58 -0700
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Re: What is the semantics meaning of 'object'? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-27 01:23 +1000
Re: What is the semantics meaning of 'object'? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-06-25 17:07 -0600
Re: What is the semantics meaning of 'object'? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-26 09:08 +1000
Re: What is the semantics meaning of 'object'? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-06-25 17:10 -0600
Re: What is the semantics meaning of 'object'? Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-06-25 16:19 -0700
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Re: What is the semantics meaning of 'object'? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-06-25 18:19 -0600
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