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Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon)

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Date 2013-11-18 11:42 +1100
Subject Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon)
From Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.python
Message-ID <mailman.2811.1384735375.18130.python-list@python.org> (permalink)

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On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Gregory Ewing
<greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
> Mark Lawrence wrote:
>
>> As a rule of thumb people don't like change?  This obviously assumes that
>> language designers are people :)
>
>
> That's probably true (on both counts).
>
> I guess this means we need to encourage more
> Pythoneers to become language designers!

Easy! Just make Python really bad in every way except syntax. Then
people will be constantly thinking "If only Python were more X and
less Y... great syntax but the language sucks in so many ways!" and
they'll borrow the syntax into their new languages.

If you're setting out to create a new language, you probably want it
to be "Foo, except X" for some Foo and X. So you'll keep everything
about Foo that doesn't conflict with your changes. I would expect to
see Python-like syntax in a language that's designed to be "Python,
except compilable to C for performance"... and whaddayaknow, Cython
fits that description. Thing is, Python is just so much better than
(C, C#, JavaScript, Java) that there's hardly as much impetus to
create a new language.

ChrisA

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Oh look, another language (ceylon) Neal Becker <ndbecker2@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 14:33 -0500
  Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-11-17 16:41 +1300
    Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-17 15:10 +1100
    Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-17 05:48 +0000
      Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) jkn <jkn_gg@nicorp.f9.co.uk> - 2013-11-17 00:34 -0800
    Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-17 12:41 +0000
      Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-11-18 11:33 +1300
        Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-18 11:42 +1100
        Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Tim Daneliuk <tundra@tundraware.com> - 2013-11-17 16:48 -0600
          Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-18 23:51 +0000
            Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Tim Daneliuk <tundra@tundraware.com> - 2013-11-18 18:31 -0600
    Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-11-17 16:18 -0800
      Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-11-18 19:45 +1300
        Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-18 17:56 +1100
          Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-11-18 01:44 -0800
            Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-18 09:56 +0000
            Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-18 21:04 +1100
              Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-18 13:31 +0000
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 00:39 +1100
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-18 14:30 +0000
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-11-18 15:37 -0500
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-19 02:29 +0000
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 10:25 +1100
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-19 02:13 +0000
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 13:54 +1100
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 13:56 +1100
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-11-19 01:10 -0800
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2013-11-20 08:19 +0000
            Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-18 05:29 -0700
            Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-18 23:36 +1100
              Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Piet van Oostrum <piet@vanoostrum.org> - 2013-11-18 10:31 -0400
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-18 15:06 +0000
        Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-11-18 19:33 -0800
          Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-19 07:00 +0000
            Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 18:18 +1100
            Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-11-20 18:25 +1300
  Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-18 14:56 +0000

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