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Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon)

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Date 2013-11-19 00:39 +1100
Subject Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon)
From Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.python
Message-ID <mailman.2843.1384781959.18130.python-list@python.org> (permalink)

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On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:31 AM, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> Unless they have done something *really* clever, the language designers
> lose a hundred million points for screwing up text strings. There is
> *absolutely no excuse* for a new, modern language with no backwards
> compatibility concerns to choose one of the three bad choices:

Yeah, but this compiles to JS, so it does have that backward compat
issue - unless it's going to represent a Ceylon string as something
other than a JS string (maybe an array of integers??), which would
probably cost even more.

You're absolutely right, except in the premise that Ceylon is a new
and unshackled language. At least this way, if anyone actually
implements Ceylon directly in the browser, it can use something
smarter as its backend, without impacting code in any way (other than
performance). I'd much rather they go for O(n) string primitives than
maintaining the user-visible UTF-16 bug.

ChrisA

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Oh look, another language (ceylon) Neal Becker <ndbecker2@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 14:33 -0500
  Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-11-17 16:41 +1300
    Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-17 15:10 +1100
    Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-17 05:48 +0000
      Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) jkn <jkn_gg@nicorp.f9.co.uk> - 2013-11-17 00:34 -0800
    Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-17 12:41 +0000
      Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-11-18 11:33 +1300
        Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-18 11:42 +1100
        Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Tim Daneliuk <tundra@tundraware.com> - 2013-11-17 16:48 -0600
          Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-18 23:51 +0000
            Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Tim Daneliuk <tundra@tundraware.com> - 2013-11-18 18:31 -0600
    Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-11-17 16:18 -0800
      Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-11-18 19:45 +1300
        Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-18 17:56 +1100
          Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-11-18 01:44 -0800
            Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-18 09:56 +0000
            Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-18 21:04 +1100
              Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-18 13:31 +0000
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 00:39 +1100
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-18 14:30 +0000
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-11-18 15:37 -0500
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-19 02:29 +0000
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 10:25 +1100
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-19 02:13 +0000
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 13:54 +1100
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 13:56 +1100
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-11-19 01:10 -0800
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2013-11-20 08:19 +0000
            Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-18 05:29 -0700
            Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-18 23:36 +1100
              Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Piet van Oostrum <piet@vanoostrum.org> - 2013-11-18 10:31 -0400
                Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-18 15:06 +0000
        Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-11-18 19:33 -0800
          Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-19 07:00 +0000
            Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 18:18 +1100
            Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-11-20 18:25 +1300
  Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-18 14:56 +0000

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