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Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
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Subject	Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage
Date	2024-08-21 08:15 +0200
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Am Dienstag000020, 20.08.2024 um 08:16 schrieb Python:
> Le 20/08/2024 à 08:02, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>> Am Montag000019, 19.08.2024 um 14:56 schrieb Python:
>>> Le 19/08/2024 à 08:44, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>>>> Am Sonntag000018, 18.08.2024 um 12:05 schrieb Python:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each 
>>>>>>> other at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within 
>>>>>>> measurement accuracy) allows us to assume that they "tick at the 
>>>>>>> same rate." NOTHING more is assumed, especially regarding the 
>>>>>>> time they display; the purpose is PRECISELY to adjust one of 
>>>>>>> these clocks by applying a correction after a calculation 
>>>>>>> involving the values indicated on these clocks during specific 
>>>>>>> events, events that occur AT THE LOCATION OF EACH CLOCK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Einstein’s procedure is not strictly a synchronization procedure 
>>>>>>> but a method to VERIFY their synchronization. This is the main 
>>>>>>> difference from Poincaré’s approach. However, it can be proven 
>>>>>>> that Poincaré’s method leads to clocks synchronized in Einstein’s 
>>>>>>> sense. You can also transform Einstein’s verification method into 
>>>>>>> a synchronization procedure because it allows calculating the 
>>>>>>> correction to apply to clock A.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Steps of Einstein's Method:*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When clock A shows t_A, a light signal is emitted from A towards B.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When this signal is received at B, clock B shows t_B, and a light 
>>>>>>> signal is sent from B back towards A.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When the signal is received at A, clock A shows t'_A.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods. So if you 
>>>>>> synchronize clock B with clock A, this must come to the same 
>>>>>> result, as if you would synchronize clock A with clock B.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is.
>>>>
>>>> No, it is not!
>>>
>>> It is. It is explained in my initial post : What is (AB)/c to you?
>>
>> AB was actually meant as:
>>
>> distance from A to B,
>>
>> even if A and B are in fact position vectors, hence AB would usually 
>> be the scalar product of A and B (what is absurd).
> 
> Yes it would be absurd. BTW you are conflating affine spaces with
> vector spaces here.
> 
>> Besides of this little formal issue (actually meant was |r_AB| ), 
> 
> Well, Thomas, this is utterly ridiculous. Any reader understands what
> AB as it appears in 2AB/(t'_A - t_A) is the distance AB. From high
> school to Ph. D.

"the distance AB" is not equal to "AB"!

Actually meant was: 'A' and 'B' denote locations in a certain coordinate 
system, hence are technically position vectors.

Because a product of vectors is possible, 'AB' would be the product of A 
and B.

If you want to adress the distance from point 'A' to point 'B' you 
cannot simply say 'AB'.

Whether or not 'any reader understands' is patently irrelevant.

> 
>> Einstein had not written AB/c (or r_AB/c).
> 
> It appears after ONE step of elementary algebra from the two first
> equations on page 3 there :
> 
> https://users.physics.ox.ac.uk/~rtaylor/teaching/specrel.pdf
> 
> Do you really think that readers (physicists) in 1905 couldn't
> immediately recognize this from two so simple equations, Thomas ?

SRT is certainly a socio-cultural mystery and the question you wrote is 
also a mystery.

I have not dealt with that question, but here with a formal issue.

My point was, that 'AB' is not a valid symbol for 'distance from point A 
to point B'.


>> What he had actually written was
>>
>> r_AB/(c-v)
> 
> This is in paragraph 3. We are dealing with paragraph 2 here.

Sure, but §3 does not contain the equation you quoted.

to remind you, that's what you have written:

 >"... It is. It is explained in my initial post : What is (AB)/c to you?.."



>>>> Einstein's method did not allow mutally symmetric synchronization.
>>>
>>> The procedure can be proven symmetric. Face it.
>>
>> No, it wouldn't.
> 
> It can be shown. This is a very simple exercise even for high school
> students. You cannot seriously pretend to be an engineer Thomas.
> 
>> I take as example two spaceships in 1 lightseconds distance, which are 
>> called A and B.
>>
>>
>>
>> Both have a HUGE clock strapped to that spaceship and use a VERY HUGE 
>> telescope to read the clock of the other ship.
> 
> The is NO reading of another clock with a telescope in the procedure
> described at paragraph 2 (nor elsewhere in the article)


Sure, there ain't.

But it should, because relativity requires mutually symmetric relations.

This means:

if one side can apply a certain method, than the other side should be 
allowed to apply the same method, too.

If you would not require this, you would drop the essence of relativity, 
which says, that all inertial frames of reference are of equal rights.

...


TH

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                Re: Is it a Joke? ? ? "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-29 21:04 +0200
          Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-28 08:22 +0200
            Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-28 11:41 +0200
            Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-28 11:04 +0000
              Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-29 08:21 +0200
        Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-27 10:25 +0000
          Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-29 08:10 +0200
            Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-29 09:39 +0200
              Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-30 07:41 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-30 10:07 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-30 12:24 +0200
            Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-29 10:57 +0200
              Et ça continue...  Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-29 12:16 +0000
                Re: Et ça continue... Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-29 14:35 +0200
                Re: Et ça continue... Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-08-29 12:46 +0000
                Re: Et ça continue... Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-29 14:42 +0200
                Re: Et ça continue... Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-08-29 12:47 +0000
                Re: Et ça continue... "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-29 21:25 +0200
              Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-30 07:53 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-30 12:16 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-30 10:38 +0000
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-30 12:45 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-30 13:44 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-30 17:09 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-30 20:03 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-31 14:19 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-31 15:05 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-31 15:22 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-31 15:32 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-31 15:36 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-30 12:12 +0000
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-30 13:41 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-31 08:03 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-31 06:40 +0000
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-31 09:44 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-09-01 08:47 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-09-01 10:37 +0000
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-09-01 14:33 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-09-01 15:37 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-31 12:30 +0200
            Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-29 13:10 +0300
        Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-27 15:39 +0300

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