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Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage
Date	2024-09-01 08:47 +0200
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Am Samstag000031, 31.08.2024 um 09:44 schrieb Athel Cornish-Bowden:
> On 2024-08-31 06:03:20 +0000, Thomas Heger said:
> 
>>
>> [ … ]
>>
>> This 'relativity of simultaneity' is based on observations by an 
>> observer in the middle between A and B.
>>
>> So, Einstein used this setting
> 
> One of your lies?
> 
>>  and related time the observations of an observer in the middle.
>>
No, not really...

Many textbooks about relativity use the picture of a train with one 
observer on the banks of the track and one within the train.

These observers are usually placed in the middle between two 
simultaneous events at both ends of the train.

Now the man on the bank has kind of special mirror, which allow him to 
see both flashes at the same time.

Then relativity of simultaneity is explained as different observations 
on the bank and in the train.

But I would require to remove the delay, caused by the finite speed of 
light, what would make both observations equal.

And as far as I call tell, Einstein used the picture from above, because 
he made no attempts to remove the delay.

His concept would allow to synchronize clocks, too, but only two clocks 
at a time.

In contrast I would use a different concept and use a hypothetical 
signal with infinite velocity to define simultaneity.

To make light usuable I would measure the delay and add that to the 
observed time value (seen at the remote clock).

This would allow a time measure, which is valid for the entire frame of 
reference.


TH

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Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-26 10:06 +0300
  Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-27 07:32 +0200
    Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-27 11:58 +0200
      Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-27 10:40 +0000
        Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-27 20:11 +0200
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            Re: Is it a Joke? ? ? "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-27 21:40 +0200
              Re: Is it a Joke? ? ? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-27 21:39 +0000
                Re: Is it a Joke? ? ? "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-28 20:28 +0200
                Re: Is it a Joke? ? ? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-28 18:57 +0000
                Re: Is it a Joke? ? ? "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-29 13:22 +0200
                Re: Is it a Joke? ? ? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-29 11:53 +0000
                Re: Is it a Joke? ? ? "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-29 15:13 +0200
                Re: Is it a Joke? ? ? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-08-29 13:36 +0000
                Re: Is it a Joke? ? ? "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-29 20:35 +0200
                Re: Is it a Joke? ? ? "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-29 15:36 +0200
                Re: Is it a Joke? ? ? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-08-29 13:45 +0000
                Re: Is it a Joke? ? ? Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-29 15:57 +0200
                Re: Is it a Joke? ? ? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-08-29 15:00 +0000
                Re: Is it a Joke? ? ? Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-29 18:19 +0200
                Re: Is it a Joke? ? ? "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-29 21:04 +0200
      Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-28 08:22 +0200
        Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-28 11:41 +0200
        Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-28 11:04 +0000
          Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-29 08:21 +0200
    Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-27 10:25 +0000
      Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-29 08:10 +0200
        Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-29 09:39 +0200
          Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-30 07:41 +0200
            Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-30 10:07 +0200
            Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-30 12:24 +0200
        Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-29 10:57 +0200
          Et ça continue...  Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-29 12:16 +0000
            Re: Et ça continue... Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-29 14:35 +0200
              Re: Et ça continue... Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-08-29 12:46 +0000
            Re: Et ça continue... Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-29 14:42 +0200
              Re: Et ça continue... Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-08-29 12:47 +0000
                Re: Et ça continue... "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-29 21:25 +0200
          Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-30 07:53 +0200
            Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-30 12:16 +0200
              Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-30 10:38 +0000
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-30 12:45 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-30 13:44 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-30 17:09 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-30 20:03 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-31 14:19 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-31 15:05 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-31 15:22 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-31 15:32 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-31 15:36 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-30 12:12 +0000
              Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-30 13:41 +0200
              Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-31 08:03 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-31 06:40 +0000
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-31 09:44 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-09-01 08:47 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-09-01 10:37 +0000
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-09-01 14:33 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-09-01 15:37 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-31 12:30 +0200
        Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-29 13:10 +0300
    Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-27 15:39 +0300

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