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| Date | 2023-03-03 14:49 -0600 |
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| From | Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject | Re: Claim that SR has been "refuted" |
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
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On 3/2/23 2:15 PM, Volney wrote:
> Tom, you previously mentioned that there were only 3 sets of
> transformations which could represent spacetime and still be
> mathematically consistent.
This must be qualified as applying to inertial frames/coordinates, not
general spacetimes.
> The Galilean transformation, the Lorentz transformation and a third
> one. You mentioned how the Galilean transformation was ruled out and
> the third one obviously does not describe our universe leaving the
> Lorentz transformation as the only possibility. What is the name of
> this third one?
Note that transformations among inertial frames must form a group, so it
is best to discuss the groups, not the transformations.
The three groups consistent with transformations among inertial frames are:
A. The Galilei group
B. The Poincare' group (aka the inhomogeneous Lorentz group)
C. The Euclid group (in 4D).
(A) is refuted experimentally, as is (C) -- indeed very basic
observations about the world refute (C):
1. space and time are handled identically, contrary
to everyday experience.
2. increasing relative velocity between two inertial frames
suddenly reverses the direction of their relative
velocity; increasing still further reverses direction
again; and again and again ad infinitum.
Tom Roberts
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