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Re: Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit

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On 3/17/2023 10:34 PM, JanPB wrote:
> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 7:45:31 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
>> On 3/17/2023 9:09 PM, JanPB wrote:
>>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:26:01 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 10:41:07 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 11:40:47 AM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 11:28:58 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 11:18:00 AM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:50:24 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 10:20:45 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 7:59:17 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 7:52:09 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:57:41 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 3:23:49 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 2:58:20 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just as there is a speed limit there is a gravitational
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceleration limit. As GR's increasing speeds(accelerations)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still must obey fall below light speed..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They do. The speeds you mention are merely coordinate speeds which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be arbitrary, in general.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Speed is speed jan and there is a speed limit defined by Gamma.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> False.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gamma demonstrates the speed limit the atom must obey.
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are no BHs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You won't get anywhere with this by just making stuff up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BHs event horizons have always been know as the place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where falling reaches the speed of light
>>>>>>>>>>>>> False. In the Schwarzschild coordinates the falling speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tends to zero, not the speed of light.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then light speed at zero hangs on the event horizon jan?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and goes beyond
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inside a BH by more gravity there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, false. The speed always remains less than of light,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's what it means for the infalling trajectory to be timelike.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just get off this horse, it won't get you anywhere anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it false jan that Einstein never believed in the BH?
>>>>>>>>>>>> He didn't.
>>>>>>>>>>> Done.
>>>>>>>>>> That is what they all say where they have been undone...
>>>>>>>>>> There is no BH in reality.
>>>>>>>>> Again, you are changing the subject now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First of all, many (most?) physicists also think BH do not exist in
>>>>>>>> Andthere is proof that the theory is not real.
>>>>>>>>> the sense of a boundary of existence at a finite distance or finite
>>>>>>>>> time. This is most likely a consequence of the fact that GR
>>>>>>>>> ignores quantum phenomena.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But again most(?) physicists think horizons do exist more or less
>>>>>>>>> as in the GR model. We'll see [pun intended].
>>>>>>>>>> It is just an overshoot in the
>>>>>>>>>> theory of maximum strength. Gravity strength has
>>>>>>>>>> a limit instead... by Gamma...
>>>>>>>>>> We are seeing those super mass look a likes....
>>>>>>>>>> BHs have already lost.
>>>>>>>>> You are again trying to smash open an open door.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>> Gamma shows the universal speed limit that gravity and acceleration must obey.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But coordinate speeds are not subject to this limitation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is where you are wrong.
>>>>> No, I am 100% correct. And I gave you a proof already: when you turn
>>>>> your head 90 degrees to the left, the Andromeda galaxy moves 90
>>>>> degrees to the right at a coordinate speed far exceeding that of light.
>>>>>
>>>>> Coorfdinate speeds are merely accounting devices, they don't have
>>>>> immediate physical meaning (they do have a meaning after processing
>>>>> the data but they don't have a meaning as bare numbers which can
>>>>> be ARBITRARY).
>>>> Falling at the speed of light is real in BH theory jan.
>>>
>>> It's false. I have shown you the actual formulas.
>>>
>>>> That is why BHs are wrong.
>>>
>>> If it's wrong, it's not for that reason. The "speed of light" crossing
>>> of the horizon is simply a measurement made by a distant observer
>>> on the outside using certain types of measuring devices. The actual
>>> object that's falling in does so along a trajectory that's always timelike.
>>> This means it never goes faster than the speed of light.
>> I wouldn't go so far as to state that the same rules of nature that
>> apply to the general universe remain unquestionably unaltered inside
>> an event horizon.
> 
> They do in GR. That's what the phrase "the theory predicts that..." means.

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Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-15 14:58 -0700
  Re: Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-03-15 15:07 -0700
    Re: Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-15 15:16 -0700
  Re: Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-15 15:23 -0700
    Re: Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-15 17:57 -0700
      Re: Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-15 19:52 -0700
        Re: Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-15 19:59 -0700
          Re: Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-15 22:20 -0700
            Re: Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-16 10:50 -0700
              Re: Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-16 11:17 -0700
                Re: Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-16 11:28 -0700
                Re: Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-16 11:40 -0700
                Re: Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-03-16 11:42 -0700
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                Re: Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 13:50 -0700
                Re: Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 18:25 -0700
                Re: Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 19:09 -0700
                Re: Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-03-17 21:45 -0500
                Re: Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 20:34 -0700
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                Re: Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-18 10:29 -0700
                Re: Black holes don't exist because there is a universal Gamma speed limit JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-18 11:23 -0700
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