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On 11/21/2022 4:33 PM, beda pietanza wrote:
> Il giorno lunedì 21 novembre 20opinion of what 22 alle 21:46:37 UTC+1 whodat ha scritto:
>> On 11/21/2022 2:19 PM, beda pietanza wrote:
>>> Il giorno lunedì 21 novembre 2022 alle 17:16:28 UTC+1 whodat ha scritto:
>>>> On 11/21/2022 4:06 AM, beda pietanza wrote:
>>>>> Il giorno lunedì 21 novembre 2022 alle 01:06:41 UTC+1 whodat ha scritto:
>>>>>> On 11/20/2022 5:08 PM, beda pietanza wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Either God exists, or He doesn't. One way or another, it's a fact
>>>>>>> sylvia else
>>>>>>>> there is a more realistic hypothesis:
>>>>>>>> the evolution of human intelligence into God like power
>>>>>>> beda
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The goal of intelligence in the universe
>>>>>> Whoa. Begin at the beginning without presuming. AFAIK intelligence is
>>>>>> a characteristic, not an entity and certainly not a free standing
>>>>>> entity.
>>>>> beda:
>>>>> in the far past religion, then after, religion and philosophy, explained the world,
>>>>> now both of them have dealt and shifted partly into science.
>>>> The history of "science" is not "science."
>>>>> Nowadays science fallouts are so important that scientists should take
>>>>> full responsibility
>>>> Sorry, this makes no sense. Those in pursuit of the true nature of
>>>> nature are in no way responsible for the "state of the art."
>>>>> of the social impacts and consequences of scientifical
>>>>> applications, in everyday's life and in the common people way of thinking.
>>>>> regards
>>>>> beda
>>>> How can I tell you this so you'll understand it, science is a search for
>>>> truth and has nothing to do with social impacts. And none of this has
>>>> anything to do with "intelligence" which is where this discussion got
>>>> its start.
>>>>
>>>> We're still stuck at "see 'flight of ideas' and/or 'tangential speech.'"
>>>>
>>>> This discussion has no chance of advance.
>>> Beda:
>>> We may better make some order in the concepts we use,
>>> pursuing the truth is a task for everyone (for his own sake),
>>> with the help of priests, philosophers, scientists, teachers, families,
>>> friends, and at last one may make good use of this newsgroup.
>>> Priests help with religion,
>>> philosophers with logic reasoning,
>>> scientists help to understand how the physical nature works,
>>> teachers,family,friends ....., do their helping part.
>>> Each person for the social relevance of his work gets payed and gets merit for it
>>
>>
>>> then he is obliged to take his responsibility for the effects that his work
>>> (and his way of thinking) have on the social life.
>> Aren't you advocating "thought crime" here?
> Thought crime not, but spoken out wrong ideas implies moral responsibilities,
> spoken out wrong ideas, mostly, are carried on by mean convenient selfish reasons
>>> Most of all the scientists, whose work forge the collective progress of knowledge
>>> and through the practical application of their scientific discoveries, forge the
>>> collective way of life.
>> Untrue. Scientists only deal in understanding of nature. They are not
>> responsible for any implementation over which they had/have no control.





> Strange ideas you have about responsibilities, you mean that after their working time,
> scientists have not the right to speak out their opinion on the usage of their work???
> if they have the right to speak out, then there is their moral responsibility of using their
> right, and contrast any wrong use of their work.



You are somewhere way out in left field with this. Responsibility is
solely in the hands of those who implement. I'm now finished with this
discussion because your grasp on reality is completely absent. Good
luck with your adventures, because adventures is all they are.

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