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On 11/21/2022 2:19 PM, beda pietanza wrote:
> Il giorno lunedì 21 novembre 2022 alle 17:16:28 UTC+1 whodat ha scritto:
>> On 11/21/2022 4:06 AM, beda pietanza wrote:
>>> Il giorno lunedì 21 novembre 2022 alle 01:06:41 UTC+1 whodat ha scritto:
>>>> On 11/20/2022 5:08 PM, beda pietanza wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Either God exists, or He doesn't. One way or another, it's a fact
>>>>> sylvia else
>>>>>> there is a more realistic hypothesis:
>>>>>> the evolution of human intelligence into God like power
>>>>> beda
>>>>>
>>>>> The goal of intelligence in the universe
>>>> Whoa. Begin at the beginning without presuming. AFAIK intelligence is
>>>> a characteristic, not an entity and certainly not a free standing
>>>> entity.
>>> beda:
>>> in the far past religion, then after, religion and philosophy, explained the world,
>>> now both of them have dealt and shifted partly into science.
>> The history of "science" is not "science."
>>> Nowadays science fallouts are so important that scientists should take
>>> full responsibility
>> Sorry, this makes no sense. Those in pursuit of the true nature of
>> nature are in no way responsible for the "state of the art."
>>> of the social impacts and consequences of scientifical
>>> applications, in everyday's life and in the common people way of thinking.
>>> regards
>>> beda
>> How can I tell you this so you'll understand it, science is a search for
>> truth and has nothing to do with social impacts. And none of this has
>> anything to do with "intelligence" which is where this discussion got
>> its start.
>>
>> We're still stuck at "see 'flight of ideas' and/or 'tangential speech.'"
>>
>> This discussion has no chance of advance.
> Beda:
> We may better make some order in the concepts we use,
> pursuing the truth is a task for everyone (for his own sake),
> with the help  of priests, philosophers, scientists, teachers, families,
> friends, and at last one may make good use of this newsgroup.
> Priests help with religion,
> philosophers with logic reasoning,
> scientists help to understand how the physical nature works,
> teachers,family,friends ....., do their helping part.
> Each person for the social relevance of his work gets payed and gets merit for it


> then he is obliged to take his responsibility for the effects that his work
> (and his way of thinking) have on the social life.


Aren't you advocating "thought crime" here?



> Most of all the scientists, whose work forge the collective progress of knowledge
> and  through the practical application of their scientific discoveries, forge the
> collective way of life.


Untrue. Scientists only deal in understanding of nature. They are not
responsible for any implementation over which they had/have no control.



> Upon them is an high part of responsibility of what the actual society is
> and of what the future society will  became.


Again untrue. Where do you get the idea that the explorer is responsible
for the outcome of his discoveries? Columbus was only responsible for
his own direct acts, not for what others did utilizing his discoveries.

The clear reality is that there is nothing discovered by humans
that has but one use. The individual making the initial discovery
rarely, if ever, causes the myriad of implementations. Consider the
microwave, initially used as a strategic weapon to detect incoming
weaponized aircraft, but tamed for use in many kitchens (including mine)
as a cooking device.



>  From up down, the shared level of responsibility: scientists, politicians, philosophers, teachers, down to the
> common lay man, all are responsible  for their part, of the future of humanity.
> best regards
> beda pietanza
> 
>>>> Of course you're free to *believe* anything you wish. However this
>>>> is a group in which belief based discussions are not acceptable.
>>>>> may be to reach a God like level of knowledge and power.
>>>>> In our planet the Earth, humanity may succeed in this extremely difficult task.
>>>>> The most advanced countries are in the occidental sphere, live with an high level of quality of life, personal freedom, civil right, democracy, ect, at the huge cost of depleting the planet of its resources and of its natural equilibrium.
>>>>>
>>>>> The occidental countries are now at a fork, to help and to let the rest of the world reach their standard of living, then shortening the humanity future survival for the intollerable burden on the planet: So humanity will have less changes of reaching the God like evolutionary goal.
>>>>> OR
>>>>> The occidental countries egoistically ignore the rest of the world or worse, fight against it, in order to prevent their aspirations to reach the same living wealth, then the rest of the humanity will undergo famine and wars, but the occidental countries would retain their high level of living (along democracy, freedom and civil right, ect); the sole occidental population and planet will have a longer evolutionary future towards the God like prospective.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a contradiction of our humanity actual condition:
>>>>> IF THE GOODNESS of the rich and strong prevails, then the future of humanity and its universal task will likely fail, for the unsustainable human pressure on a limitate planet .
>>>>>
>>>>> IF THE EVILNESS of the rich and strong prevails, then the triumphant part of the humanity will enjoy a better and longer future prospective and will have better chances of fulfilling the task of reaching the God like divine abilities.
>>>>> cheers
>>>>> beda pietanza
>>>>>

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