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On 2/25/2012 5:49 PM, Robert Myers wrote:
> On 2/25/2012 4:30 AM, Terje Mathisen wrote:
>
>>>
>>> There are a couple of ways you could still have smartphones selling in
>>> unlimited numbers forever, but they all seem too complicated and limited
>>> to me.
>>
>> A sufficiently dense grid of small (pico/nano/femto) cells, using MIMO
>> antennas and backstopped with mesh networking can give us at least a
>> couple of orders of magnitude more than we have today.
>
> Keep in mind, please, that I don't own even own a cellular phone, never
> mind a smart phone, so I am looking at this from some distance.
>
> IF you had complete control over the spectrum, the base stations, the
> end platform hardware, and the end platform software, I agree that very
> dense, responsive systems are possible.
>
> HOWEVER
>
> At the moment, no one has that much control. I see a plethora of
> networks, plans, and, to put it bluntly, absolute chaos.
>
> As I perceive reality, Apple's (say) high stock price would evaporate if
> the chaos evaporated because the profit margins depend on proprietary
> boundaries.
>
> There is no incentive for wireless providers to accommodate a large
> number of users at a low profit margin. There is every incentive for
> them to tolerate a great deal of whining from the people who care how
> much they have to spend and to cater to those to whom convenience is
> more important than cost. That is to say, I see no market for an
> endlessly-expanding smartphone market, even though such a market is
> technologically-possible.
>
> Maybe you could do it in Norway.
>
> Robert.

WE had a small amount of bandwidth in the AM band, about 1 megahertz. 
Stations couldn't be that close together,yet we had thousands of them. 
Terje pointed out that via various mechanisms, spectrum can be shared by 
many users geographically dispersed.  In addition there is spectrum at 
even higher frequencies that could be used.

Is bandwidth unlimited? No, not really.  But it is abundant, and can be 
made more abundant.  In the future we will not dedicate hundreds of 
Megahertz to TV broadcasting when the same programming can be 
transmitted over a data network using less bandwidth.

At the moment apple sells devices, not bandwidth.  Probably eventually 
smart phones will get smart enough and ubiquitous enough that sales will 
slow or level off, like they have in the PC market.

-- 
del

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Bandwidth for smart phones Robert Myers <rbmyersusa@gmail.com> - 2012-02-24 22:50 -0500
  Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-24 22:35 -0600
    Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2012-02-29 19:40 +0100
  Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Andrew Reilly <areilly---@bigpond.net.au> - 2012-02-25 05:22 +0000
  Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2012-02-25 10:30 +0100
    Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Robert Myers <rbmyersusa@gmail.com> - 2012-02-25 20:49 -0500
      Re: Bandwidth for smart phones del cecchi <delcecchi@gmail.com> - 2012-02-25 21:50 -0800
        Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-26 02:23 -0600
          Re: Bandwidth for smart phones "Andy (Super) Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2012-02-28 19:39 -0800
            Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-28 22:38 -0600
            Re: Bandwidth for smart phones "Paul A. Clayton" <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2012-02-29 06:18 -0800
              Re: Bandwidth for smart phones "Andy (Super) Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2012-02-29 07:56 -0800
                Re: Bandwidth for smart phones George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2012-02-29 14:31 -0500
                Re: Bandwidth for smart phones BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-01 00:03 -0700
                Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-01 02:07 -0600
                Re: Bandwidth for smart phones BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-01 15:44 -0700
        Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Brett Davis <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-26 04:30 -0600
        Re: Bandwidth for smart phones BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-26 11:43 -0700
          Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Emil Naepflein <netnewsegn@kabelmail.de> - 2012-02-27 06:29 +0100
            Re: Bandwidth for smart phones BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-27 18:12 -0700
              Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Emil Naepflein <netnewsegn@kabelmail.de> - 2012-02-28 06:37 +0100
                Re: Bandwidth for smart phones BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-27 22:54 -0700
        Re: Bandwidth for smart phones jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2012-02-28 15:52 +0000
          Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2012-02-28 17:15 +0000
          Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-28 14:14 -0600
            Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2012-02-29 08:28 +0100
              Re: Bandwidth for smart phones BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-01 00:35 -0700
                Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2012-03-01 18:24 +0100
                Re: Bandwidth for smart phones BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-01 15:53 -0700
                Re: Bandwidth for smart phones del cecchi <delcecchi@gmail.com> - 2012-03-01 11:22 -0800
                Re: Bandwidth for smart phones George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2012-03-01 16:06 -0500
                Re: Bandwidth for smart phones BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-01 16:01 -0700
                Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2012-03-02 13:25 +0100
                Re: Bandwidth for smart phones nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2012-03-02 12:36 +0000
                Re: Bandwidth for smart phones BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-02 12:08 -0700
                Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2012-03-02 10:49 +0100
                Re: Bandwidth for smart phones George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2012-03-04 14:16 -0500
      Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-26 00:31 -0600
      Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Brett Davis <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-26 04:01 -0600
    Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2012-02-29 20:00 +0100
  Re: Bandwidth for smart phones BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-25 15:51 -0700
  Re: Bandwidth for smart phones Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2012-02-28 13:37 +0100

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