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Am 07.05.2022 um 09:38 schrieb JanPB:

>>>> I take this quote of Einstein from page 6:
>>>>
>>>> "...a point at rest in the system k must have a system of values x', y,
>>>> z, independent of time. "
>>>>
>>>> This 'point at rest in k' is called (xsi, 0, 0) in k-coordinates, where
>>>> xsi is a fixed but otherwise arbitrary value.
>>>>
>>>> In four-vector form in K this point has the four-vector
>>>> (xsi- v*t, 0, 0, t)
>>>
>>> It was explained to you many times that your reasoning is incorrect.
>>> So I won't repeat the correct argument again.
>> Ok, you're right, because it should say x= xsi+ v*t, of course.
>
> No, this is also incorrect.

WHAT is incorrect?

>>>> which is not independent of time.
>>>
>>> Not even wrong.
>> No, because 'independent of time' means 'its equation had a constant
>> value for time or no timer component at all'.
>>
>> But x= xsi+ v*t contains t, which is not a constant.
>
> You are running in circles. It's all incorrect.
>
>>>> It cannot be independent of time,
>>>
>>> It doesn't matter. You base this on an incorrect assumption, so
>>> naturally you end up with a piece of nonsense.
>> Would you be so kind and tell me, which assumption is wrong?
>
> Your entire understanding of both the experimental setup and how
> the K-coordinates are used to track it is wrong.

I take ONLY the actual text as meaningful, not any other unmentioned 
material. The text itself is, what I'm talking about. Therefore you 
cannot use any other material, which is not explicitly quoted within the 
text.

So: what Einstein wrote is valid (as his intention), not what you think 
he should have written.

That's why you need to prove your claim by a quote from Einstein's text.

This text does in fact contain an 'experimental setup', even if 
Einstein's text is hard to understand.

Now we are still discussing the question, how Einstein's words should be 
understood.

We have here a simple situation: a beam is sent out by some source and 
reflected back to its origin.

The question is now: which variables belong to which quantities.

This should not be a subject to debate in a good paper, but is in this case.


I interpreted the setup this way:

the emitter is placed in the zero spot of k at point xsi_0

the mirror is placed at some positive distance at the point xsi_mirror in k

the hole thing moves in K to 'the right' with velocity v

the moving setup is watched and measured from K with measures from K


Now k is a copy of K, which 'slides' along the x-axis of K with velocity v.

this allows to define the points xsi_0 and xsi_mirror from the 
perspective of K with K-coordinates:

x'= x(xsi_mirror)=xsi_mirror + v*t
x(xsi_0)= x_0 + v*t

>> I see a VERY simple equation, which is not independet of time:
>> (x= xsi+ v*t)
>
> This equation is incorrect.

that is like saying
1+1=2 is incorrect.

you need to say, at least, what is incorrect any why.

>> while Einstein wrote, it would be independent of time.
>
> Einstein has a different equation (which I explained in full detail twice).


I wrote, several times now, that Einstein's equation was wrong.


...


TH

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                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-05-15 08:50 +0200
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-06 17:09 +0300
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                Re: Annotated version of SRT JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-05-09 02:24 -0700
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              Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-05-02 12:02 +0000
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-02 05:11 -0700
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