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On 4/27/2022 12:24 AM, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 4/26/2022 5:19 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> wrote:
>>
>> [-]
>>> At the end, Edison was more succesful than Tesla, who died almost broke
>>> having wasted all his money in not so good inventions.
>>
>> Tesla survived for a long time on the royalties
>> of his commercially most succesful invention:
>> the first accurate and reliable car speedometer.
> 
> I did not know that.
>>
>>> He however, was instrumental in the creation of the Westinghouse company
>>> and his main victory over Edison was the use of AC, intead of the DC
>>> Edison was pushing on.
>>
>> But Americans are still stuck with their puny 120 V power systems.
> 
> American household power systems have 240 volts available.  Only 
> permanently wired large devices typically use it.  You won't see them 
> much, but look up NEMA 6-15R and NEMA 6-20R outlets for what American 
> lower current (15A and 20A) 240V outlets look like. Few houses have them.


Michael, you've apparently spent most of your life in a city atmosphere,
where gas is usually available. I spent most of my life in city and
suburban settings but retired to the country in what is best described
as a "hole in the woods.

In rural America, where gas is not available, 240 volt appliances are
quite common. Fixed is the electric water heater typically 30 or 40
amps at 240 volts. More portable, using sockets and power cords with
matching plugs are electric clothes dryers (typically 240 volts at 30
amps) and electric stoves (typically 240 volts 50 or 60 amps.)

I presently live in the country and have all these appliances though I
have given some thought to switching my kitchen stove and clothes dryer
to propane gas (LPG) since I have significant storage (1450 gallons) as
I purchase a year's worth of gas when the price is at its lowest during
the summer months.

It sounds as though Lodder lives in Europe or someplace else that uses
230 volts @ 50 Hz for everything, including lamps. For the most part
those countries had stated out with 110 volt distribution to homes but
at some point they doubled the user voltage in order to save entire
countries from having to replace their distribution wires which we, in
the USA, did without flinching. Also the minimum requirement in most of
the USA is 240 Volts at 100 amperes. Such services are infrequent in
most of Europe, their minimum requirement is much smaller. BTW, when, as
a child, I lived in Europe (WW2 period) the voltage in my parents'
apartment was 110 volts. Visiting family beginning in 1986 I discovered
that the voltage had been increased to 240.

I think the residential feature of 120 volts is favorable rather than
a detriment that Lodder appears to want to insinuate. I've explained the
situation that actually doesn't belong in this newsgroup but I will
not attempt to gorge myself on the bait that Lodder has cast out.

When I was visiting my cousins in Europe one who is an electrical
engineer asked me why the USA runs on 60 Hz electric power. He
understood immediately when I mentioned that clocks run on 60's. We in
the USA maintain that 60 Hz very accurately (Europe doesn't maintain
theirs closely) and as a result we are able to use synchronous electric
motors to run our clocks directly off the power that comes into our
homes. Europe reduces the frequency of their power in order to effect
necessary brownouts, leaving themselves without that access. Of course
today, with very inexpensive battery powered clock movements it no is no
longer a worthwhile consideration.



<snip>

> My opinion is that Tesla was right on the line between genius and 
> insanity, and would go on both sides of it. He was quite the odd duck at 
> times.

When I started visiting the old country, several of my transatlantic
flights were on a 747 that was named after Tesla, That's the time I
found out that Yugoslavia, Greece, and Hungary all claimed him as one of
their own and I was advised by a very pretty stewardess that Serbo-
Croation was the perfect language. She was so intent and emotional about
it I knew better than to challenge her. Of course I'd heard similar
claims from others regarding their national language. Even then I heard
AmerEnglish words cluttering their "perfect languages." <grin>

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