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Re: Stationary Points in Space

From whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Stationary Points in Space
Date 2022-04-23 18:07 -0500
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On 4/23/2022 3:35 PM, Ed Lake wrote:
> Here’s something to ponder:  When we look at the Andromeda galaxy, we see it where it WAS 2,537,000 years ago, not where it is today.  Some of the stars we see shining brightly in Andromeda could have exploded into dust thousands of years ago.
> 
> Einstein’s Second postulate stated “light is always propagated in empty space with a definite velocity c which is independent of the state of motion of the emitting body.
> 
> That is saying that the speed of light is 299,792,458 meters per second regardless of the speed of the emitter, OR the direction the emitter is traveling.  Light from Andromeda’s stars travel at c TOWARD the direction Andromeda is traveling, and ALSO at c in the direction Andromeda is traveling FROM, and at c in ALL OTHER directions.
> 
> Additionally, light traveled in a STRAIGHT LINE from a star in Andromeda to a telescope on Earth.  Andromeda moved on, but at the moment of observation that straight line existed and traced back to where a star existed at a point in space 2,537,000 years ago.
>   
> Isn’t that point of emission a “stationary point in space”?  If light moved at the same speed in all directions away from that point, and if we can pinpoint that location because a star in Andromeda was there 2,537,000 years ago, that point cannot be moving.  And, if it is NOT moving, doesn't the straight line trace back to a "stationary point in space"?


A while ago in sci.physics I asked (a bit more to the actual stated 
scenario) whether or not a specific volume of space could be moved 
(relocated.)

Moroney's reply was that no it cannot. And AFAIC that means every piece
of space is stationary. Personally I state no opinion on the matter. If
we accept as a given that space cannot be moved then it seems apparent
that every point in space cannot be moved, and it is all stationary.

Naturally this gives rise to endless problems that I'm not going to get
into in my postings, there are enough real brains available in these
newsgroups to discuss the myriad of difficulties that truly stationary
points and space have.

Moroney, with all due respect I didn't challenge your reply and I don't
challenge it here, but AFAIC any aspect of "stationary" brings to bear
many questions, perhaps someone wants to catalog some of those and
provide answers. I'm only smart enough to raise the question and will
not. myself, get involved to the point where potential endless
argumentation yields traps. I'm sure there's enough meat in the
question(s) to create a new branch of science. Maybe not, but it
is fun to think about.

Just as an example, if space is stationary, then how can it curve based
on transient events as it must in order to comport to the theories that
are accepted (e.g. appearance of the displacement of a distant star
because of the sun's gravity.)

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Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-23 13:35 -0700
  Re: Stationary Points in Space Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-04-23 14:31 -0700
  Re: Stationary Points in Space Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-04-23 14:40 -0700
    Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-24 07:56 -0700
      Re: Stationary Points in Space Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-04-24 09:06 -0700
        Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-24 11:12 -0700
          Re: Stationary Points in Space Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-04-24 12:11 -0700
            Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-24 13:14 -0700
              Re: Stationary Points in Space Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-24 22:29 +0200
              Re: Stationary Points in Space Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-04-24 13:43 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-25 08:26 -0700
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                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-25 13:59 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-25 21:45 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-26 07:49 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 16:04 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-26 09:43 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 09:56 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-26 10:05 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 17:18 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-26 13:37 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 21:10 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-27 07:02 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 14:26 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-27 09:15 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 17:32 +0000
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                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-27 08:21 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-27 13:26 -0400
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                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 19:16 +0000
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                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-27 08:39 -0700
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