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Re: Stationary Points in Space

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: Stationary Points in Space
Date	2022-04-28 16:28 +0000
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Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:48:19 PM UTC-5, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ed Lake wrote: 
>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 11:45:23 AM UTC-5, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: 
>>>> Ed Lake wrote: 
> 
>>>>> You may be right, which shows the sorry state of college physics textbooks. 
>>>> No, that’s not the right conclusion. If you find that every textbook 
>>>> disagrees with something you think is true, then it is a mistake to believe 
>>>> that you are right and every single textbook is wrong. What is a much 
>>>> better strategy is to conclude that it is YOU that is not understanding 
>>>> something correctly. 
>>> 
>>> There are plenty of textbooks that agree with me. I have a collection of 
>>> well over 100 college physics textbooks.
>> A hundred TEXTBOOKS? I’d like a listing of the first 30 please. 
>> Note that Brian Greene’s The Fabric of the Cosmos is not a textbook. 
>> Hawking’s A Brief History of Time is not a textbook. 
> 
> Here are about 70 that I have categorized as "textbooks."  I could have 
> dozens more that I just categorized as "books":  

OK, so let’s have a small moment of truth-telling here, Ed. You have
provided a listing of 70 books, but you fell short of claiming that these
are actually in your possession. I would have doubts without a link to a
photo of your bookshelf showing all of these. I can explain why I have
doubts. About 40 of the titles you list below are first-year introductory
physics books. None of those are available in PDF except illegally or at
costs close to print books, and they do not render at all well on Kindle
(and in fact are not available as official Kindle editions). You also cite
multiple editions of the same textbook, which is a lot to pay for
essentially the same content (what changes from edition to edition is
mostly the end-of-chapter problems and worked examples, which you do not
care about). The average storefront (online or bricks-and-mortar store)
price for each those introductory books ranges from $100 to $125. This
means that if indeed you had those 40 first-year textbooks on your shelf,
you’d have spent $4000 - $5000 on them, since the onset of your interest in
physics a couple years ago. 

What would be particularly alarming about you spending $4000-$5000 on
introductory textbooks is that you have learned no introductory physics. 

To cement this even more, it’s worth noting that first-year introductory
textbooks as a rule say next to nothing about any of the following
subjects: Big Bang cosmology, quantum fields, or anything like a
comprehensive view of the behavior of photons. To claim that ANY of those
introductory books would have anything to say in agreement with your
position about those topics is simply dishonest.

As for the non-introductory texts, it’s worth noting that a lot of those
ALSO will have nothing to say about Big Bang cosmology or quantum fields or
the behavior of photons. For example, the books by Thomas Young, Walter
Lewin, Nicholas Giordano, Daniel Kleppner and Robert Kolendow, A. P.
French, David Morin, David Griffiths, Herbert Goldstein and Charles Pool
and John Safko — none of these will have anything to do with those topics. 

So, let’s get a bit real here, Ed. Using books that you ACTUALLY have in
your possession, which of them have substantive discussion (beyond a single
paragraph or a half page) on Big Bang cosmology or the behavior of quantum
fields or the behavior of photons? Do you actually know?

> 
> A College Text-Book of Physics	Arthur L. Kimball
> A Course of Lectures on Natural Philosophy and the Mechanical Arts	Thomas Young
> A First Course in General Relativity	Bernard F. Schultz
> A Primer of Special Relativity	P. L. Sardesai
> A Source Book in Physics	William Francis Magie
> An introduction to Mechanics	Daniel Kleppner and Robert Kolenkow
> An Introduction to Relativity	Jaylant V. Narlikar
> An Introduction to the Special Theory of Relativity	Robert Katz
> Astrophysics for Physicists	Arnab Rai Choudhuri
> Basic Physics: A self-teaching guide	Karl F. Kuhn
> Classical Mechanics	Herbert Goldstein, Charles P. Poole, John L. Safko
> College Physics	Eugenia Etkina, Michael Gentile & Alan Van Heuvelen
> College Physics	Hugh D. Young
> College Physics	Paul Peter Urone & Roger Hinrichs
> College Physics – A Strategic Approach	Randall D. Knight, Brian Jones, Stuart Field
> College Physics (Eighth Edition)	Raymond A. Serway & Chris Vuille
> College Physics (Ninth Edition)	Raymond A. Serway & Chris Vuille
> College Physics (Seventh Edition?)	Raymond A. Serway, Jerry S. Faughn & Chris Vuille
> Computational Physics	Nicholas J. Giordano
> Essential College Physics with Mastering Physics	Andrew Rex & Richard Wolfson
> Essential Physics	John Matolyak & Ajawad Haija
> For the Love of Physics	Walter Lewin
> Foundations of Astronomy (Eleventh Edition)	Michael A. Seeds, Dana E. Backman
> Fundamentals of College Physics	Peter J. Nolan
> Fundamentals of Modern Physics	Peter J. Nolan
> Fundamentals of Modern Physics	Robert Martin Eisberg
> Fundamentals of Physics (Eighth Edition)	Jearl Walker
> Fundamentals of Physics (Ninth Edition)	Jearl Walker
> Fundamentals of Physics (Tenth Edition)	Jearl Walker
> Fundamentals of Physics, Mechanics, Relativity and Thermodynamics	R. Shankar
> Gravitation	Charles W. Meisner, Kip S. Thorne, John Archibald Wheeler
> Handbook of Space-Time	Abhay Ashtekar, Vesselin Petkov (Eds.)
> How Things Work: The Physics of Everyday Life	Louis A. Bloomfield
> Introducing Einstein's Relativity	Ray d'Inverno
> Introduction to Classical Mechanics	A. P. French
> Introduction to Classical Mechanics – with Problems and Solutions	David Morin
> Introduction to Electrodynamics	David J. Griffiths
> Introduction to Modern Optics	Grant R. Fowles
> Introduction to Special Relativity	Robert Resnick
> Introduction to Special Relativity	Wolfgang Rindler
> Modern Classical Physics: optics, fluids, plasmas, elasticity,
> relativity, and statistical physics	Kip S. Thorne & Roger D. Blandford
> Modern Measurements: Fundamentals and Applications	Alessandro Ferraro et al
> Modern Physics - 3rd edition	Raymond A. Serway, Clement J. Moses, Curt A. Moyer
> Modern Physics (5th Edition)	Paul A. Tipler, Ralph A. Llewellyn
> Modern Physics (6th edition)	Paul A. Tipler, Ralph A. Llewellyn
> Modern Physics for Scientists and Engineers	John R. Taylor, Chris D.
> Zafiratos & Michael A. Dubson
> Modern Physics for Scientists and Engineers	Stephen T. Thornton and Andrew Rex
> Optics (4th Edition)	Eugene Hecht
> Physics	James S. Walker
> Physics - 2nd edition	Alan Giambattista, Betty Richardson & Robert C. Richardson
> Physics – Principles with Applications (7th Edition)	Douglas C. Giancoli 
> Physics for Engineers and Scientists - 3rd edition – Volume 1	Hans C.
> Ohanian, John T. Markert
> Physics for Engineers and Scientists - 3rd edition – Volume 2	Hans C.
> Ohanian, John T. Markert
> Physics for Engineers and Scientists - 3rd edition – Volume 3	Hans C.
> Ohanian, John T. Markert
> Physics for Scientists & Engineers – 6th edition	Raymond A. Serway & John W. Jewett
> Physics for Scientists & Engineers with Modern Physics	Douglas C. Giancoli
> Physics for Scientists and Engineers – With Modern Physics - 3rd ed.	Paul
> M Fishbane; Stephen Gasiorowicz; Stephen T Thornton
> Physics for Scientists and Engineers – With Modern Physics - 6th ed.	Paul
> A. Tipler & Gene Mosca
> Physics for Scientists and Engineers: A Strategic Approach	Randall D. Knight
> Physics: A Conceptual World View	Larry Kirkpatric & Gregory Francis
> Physics: Principles with Applications (7th Edition)	Douglas C. Giancoli
> Primer of Special Relativity, A	P. L. Sardesai
> Relativity and its Roots	Banesh Hoffmann
> Space and time in contemporary physics: an introduction to the theory of
> relativity and gravitation	Moritz Schlick
> Space, Time and Einstein: An Introduction	J. B. Kennedy
> Spacetime Physics: An Introduction to Special Relativity	Edwin F. Taylor
> & John Archibald Wheeler
> Spacetime Physics: An Introduction to Special Relativity - 2nd ed.	Edwin
> F. Taylor & John Archibald Wheeler
> The Fascination of Physics	Jacqueline D. Spears & Dean Zollman
> The Geometry of Special Relativity	Norbert Dragon
> Understanding Physics	David Cassidy, Gerald Holton, James Rutherford
> Understanding Physics	Karen Cummings, Priscilla W. Laws, Edward F. Redish
> and Patrick J. Cooney
> Understanding Physics	Michael Mansfield and Colm O'Sullivan
> University Physics	George Arfken
> University Physics -Volume 3	Samuel J. Ling et al.
> University Physics with Modern Physics - 12th ed.	Hugh D. Young & Roger A. Freedman
> University Physics with Modern Physics - 14th ed.	Hugh D. Young & Roger A. Freedman
> 
> Here is a sample of some that I just categorize as "books":
> 
> The Special Theory of Relativity	David Bohm
> The Special Theory of Relativity	H. Muirhead
> The Special Theory of Relativity	J. Aharoni
> The Theory of Fundamental Processes 	Richard Feynman
> The Theory of Relativity	C. Moller
> The Theory of Relativity	Robert D. Carmichael
> 
>> If you have five textbooks that you can point to that say that there is a 
>> definite center to the Big Bang, but that it lies outside the observability 
>> limit, then cite them.
> 
> I'd have to dig through them, and I see no point in doing that right now, 
> since you'd just argue that the book doesn't meet your standards for a 
> physics "textbook."
> 
> But, I might do it when I find some spare time.
> 
> Ed
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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                Re: Stationary Points in Space The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-30 16:09 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-04-30 13:10 -0500
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Colin Ohba <owfs@gcftghsf.tk> - 2022-04-30 18:28 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-30 14:24 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-01 12:15 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2022-05-01 14:52 -0500
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-04-27 10:08 +0300
                Re: Stationary Points in Space whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-04-27 03:01 -0500
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-27 08:54 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 17:17 +0000
          Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-25 13:12 +0000
      Re: Stationary Points in Space Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-24 13:42 -0400
        Re: Stationary Points in Space Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-24 10:52 -0700
        Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-24 11:24 -0700
          Re: Stationary Points in Space Dong Vassilikos <saox@cowrpsho.rb> - 2022-04-24 20:47 +0000
            Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-25 08:54 -0700
              Re: Stationary Points in Space Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-25 14:19 -0400
          Re: Stationary Points in Space Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-24 22:25 -0400
          Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-25 13:12 +0000
          Re: Stationary Points in Space Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-04-25 09:45 -0700
            Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-25 14:04 -0700
              Re: Stationary Points in Space Dean Totolos <hcdp@xurrppjn.cn> - 2022-04-25 21:16 +0000
      Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-25 12:56 +0000
    Re: Stationary Points in Space RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2022-04-25 12:11 -0700
      Re: Stationary Points in Space Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-04-25 15:46 -0700
        Re: Stationary Points in Space RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2022-04-26 10:11 -0700
  Re: Stationary Points in Space whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-04-23 18:07 -0500
    Re: Stationary Points in Space Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-23 23:42 -0400
    Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-24 08:11 -0700
      Re: Stationary Points in Space Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-24 22:32 -0400
      Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-25 12:56 +0000
    Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-24 18:36 +0000
      Re: Stationary Points in Space whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-04-24 15:55 -0500
        Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-25 13:12 +0000
          Re: Stationary Points in Space whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-04-25 10:25 -0500
  Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-24 01:43 +0000
    Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-25 12:56 +0000
      Re: Stationary Points in Space Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-25 06:03 -0700
  Re: Stationary Points in Space Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-04-25 15:19 -0500
  Re: Stationary Points in Space The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-26 09:58 -0700
    Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 17:18 +0000
      Re: Stationary Points in Space The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-26 10:30 -0700

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