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Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT'

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT'
Date 2022-02-28 08:37 +0100
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Am 27.02.2022 um 22:10 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>
>> Am 26.02.2022 um 11:44 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
>>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 25.02.2022 um 09:12 schrieb Michael Moroney:
>>>> ...
>>>>>> The 'Who's done it?'- question is now far more interesting than
>>>>>> Einstein's text itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know, but somewhere the lifelines of Einstein and Planck must
>>>>>> have crossed and that would be a good place to search.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One such place was the ETH, to which both have attended.
>>>>>
>>>>> Einstein and Planck were friends; moreover Planck immediately recognized
>>>>> the significance of Einstein's SR paper.  (cue conspiracy theories)
>>>>
>>>> Planck was the exact opposite to Einstein, hence both cannot have been
>>>> close friends.
>>>
>>> You have some strange ideas.
>>>
>>>> Planck was a rather stiff Pruessan Protestant, a professor of physics
>>>> and very aware of status and age, while Einstein was (in 1905) a young
>>>> and lazy half-baked physicist, with an excentric outfit, who worked in a
>>>> Swiss patent office.
>>>
>>> More strange ideas. Einstein was a patent clerk,
>>> and he dressed as any civil servant would.
>>> (in a conservative three-part suit, with a tie)
>>> <https://history.aip.org/exhibits/einstein/ae14.htm>
>>> He did physics in his spare time
>>> so he cannot have been lazy or half-baked,
>>> given his known output.
>>
>>
>> 'with 'half-baked' I meant, that Einstein left university with a degree
>> as a teatcher of natural science.
>
> Einstein graduated as a 'Diplom Ingenieur',
> which is the equivalent of a modern master degree.

No.

the title 'Diplom' was used in the different German speaking countires 
(Germany, Swiss, Austria) for different purposes.

You are right for Germany, where Dipl.-Ing. was the equivalent to a 
masters degree from a university.

But Einstein had studied in Zurich at the ETH.

I would say, that his degree is more like what is in Germany called 
'Studienrat', what is a teacher in schools for higher education.

ETH produces usually engineers, because it is a tecnical university. But 
Einstein attended a small ETH department, where teacher were produced.

> It gave him the right to teach in high schools,
> to hold jobs for which an engineering degree was required,
> (such as the Berne patent office)
> and it qualified him as candidate for obtaining a PhD.
>
>>>> He was also Jewish and had zero connections to Prussia, besides of
>>>> living in a different country.
>>>
>>> Einstein was born in Ulm, Baden-Wuertemberg,
>>> which had been part of the Kingdom of Prussia
>>> before the German unification in 1870.
>>
>> Is this so?
>
> Yes.
>
>> I thought, that this was a separate kingdom before Germany was founded
>> in 1871.
>>
>> anyhow: Ulm was not a part of Prussia anymore, because that kingdom did
>> not exist anymore, when Einstein was born.
>
> Neither was Berlin.


Wrong

Berlin was in the early 19 hundreds still a Prussian city, because 
Prussia was also a province in the German Empire. But the kingdom 
Wurtemberg didn't exist anymore. Wurtemberg did exist, but as a province 
in Germany, not of Prussia.


>>> He emigrated in 1895 with his family, at first to Italy,
>>> then to Switzerland for continuing his high school education.
>>
>> Actually he left Ulm as an infant, when his family moved to Munich.
>>   From there the Einsteins moved to Padua in Italy.
>>
>>
>>> He obtained the Swiss nationality in 1901,
>>> but he retained his German nationality until 1940.
>>> (when acquiring American citizenship)
>>
>>
>> But Planck lived in Berlin, while Einstein was still Swiss citizen.
>> So how could they even talk to each other?
>
> Are you that completely unaware
> of what things were like in Europe in 1900?
> FYI, there was a dense railway network in place,
> fares were affordable, and people travelled a lot.

Well, train travel was possible, but not particularly cheap.
Crossing borders was also an issue in those days.

So Einstein could have travelled to Berlin, have a chat or two with 
Planck and travelled back to Bern.

That is in fact possible, despite Einstein was not rich, had two little 
children and a LOT of work.

Planck was also not quite the kind of person, you would like to visite, 
when you are twenty something and have just married. He was twenty years 
older, stiff, conservative and a protestant.


...

TH

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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-02-28 12:06 +0100
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