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Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT'

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
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Subject	Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT'
Date	2022-02-26 22:10 +0100
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Am 26.02.2022 um 11:44 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>
>> Am 25.02.2022 um 09:12 schrieb Michael Moroney:
>> ...
>>>> The 'Who's done it?'- question is now far more interesting than
>>>> Einstein's text itself.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know, but somewhere the lifelines of Einstein and Planck must
>>>> have crossed and that would be a good place to search.
>>>>
>>>> One such place was the ETH, to which both have attended.
>>>
>>> Einstein and Planck were friends; moreover Planck immediately recognized
>>> the significance of Einstein's SR paper.  (cue conspiracy theories)
>>
>> Planck was the exact opposite to Einstein, hence both cannot have been
>> close friends.
>
> You have some strange ideas.
>
>> Planck was a rather stiff Pruessan Protestant, a professor of physics
>> and very aware of status and age, while Einstein was (in 1905) a young
>> and lazy half-baked physicist, with an excentric outfit, who worked in a
>> Swiss patent office.
>
> More strange ideas. Einstein was a patent clerk,
> and he dressed as any civil servant would.
> (in a conservative three-part suit, with a tie)
> <https://history.aip.org/exhibits/einstein/ae14.htm>
> He did physics in his spare time
> so he cannot have been lazy or half-baked,
> given his known output.

'with 'half-baked' I meant, that Einstein left university with a degree 
as a teatcher of natural science.

>> He was also Jewish and had zero connections to Prussia, besides of
>> living in a different country.
>
> Einstein was born in Ulm, Baden-Wuertemberg,
> which had been part of the Kingdom of Prussia
> before the German unification in 1870.

Is this so?
I thought, that this was a separate kingdom before Germany was founded 
in 1871.

anyhow: Ulm was not a part of Prussia anymore, because that kingdom did 
not exist anymore, when Einstein was born.

> He emigrated in 1895 with his family, at first to Italy,
> then to Switzerland for continuing his high school education.

Actually he left Ulm as an infant, when his family moved to Munich.
 From there the Einsteins moved to Padua in Italy.

> He obtained the Swiss nationality in 1901,
> but he retained his German nationality until 1940.
> (when acquiring American citizenship)

But Planck lived in Berlin, while Einstein was still Swiss citizen.
So how could they even talk to each other?

It is also more than questionable, that Planck, who was authoritarian 
and conservative to the bones, wanted to maintain friendship to a Swiss 
leftist, who needed a haircut and wore no socks.

> And yes, Einstein and Planck were close friends
> during Einstein's Berlin years, 1914-1933,

I don't believe that, but possibly they became friends in Berlin.

But 1914 is long after 1905, anyhow.

So, which forces were involved, when Planck published Einstein's paper 
in 1905?

It is hard to beleive, that Planck could not have seen the 'weaknisses' 
in this paper, because Planck was an exceptionally good physicist.
...

TH

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  Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-23 14:21 +0000
    Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-02-24 07:19 +0100
      Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-24 13:54 +0000
        Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-02-24 22:28 +0100
          Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-24 22:09 +0000
            Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-24 23:18 -0800
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-02-26 11:44 +0100
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-01 08:08 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-03-01 12:10 +0100
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-03-02 11:48 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-03 08:51 +0100
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-03 13:07 +0000
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-03-03 15:37 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-03-02 11:48 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-03 09:07 +0100
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-04 07:29 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-03-03 12:08 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-04 07:41 +0100
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-03-01 21:51 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-02-28 14:59 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 09:49 -0800
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 15:54 +0000
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 13:27 +0000
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-02-28 09:01 +0100
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 15:54 +0000
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 13:27 +0000
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-02-27 22:10 +0100
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-02-28 17:48 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 15:54 +0000
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-02-28 12:06 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-02-27 22:10 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-02-28 08:37 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-02-28 12:06 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-01 08:28 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-03-01 12:10 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-03-01 12:45 +0100
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-01 10:49 -0500
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 13:12 +0000
                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-02 08:21 +0100
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-03-03 09:12 +0100
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                Re: New rewritten version of 'annotated version of SRT' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-02-28 12:06 +0100
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