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Re: analysis of java application logs

From	Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject	Re: analysis of java application logs
Date	2011-05-23 22:25 +0000
Organization	UK Free Software Network
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On Mon, 23 May 2011 15:02:23 -0400, Lew wrote:

> On 05/23/2011 01:16 PM, Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
>> Let me emphasize: IMHO debugging logs and logs for analysis are two
>> different things and should be kept strictly separated -- possibly
>> logged to a different target respectively.
> 
> That last is rather a brilliant idea, to use different targets. 
> Heretofore I've espoused that logs are primarily an operations tool, not
> a debugging tool, although in service of the former they inevitably and
> inherently must support the former.  The problem I've always seen is
> that logging statements are left up to the programmer, and not specified
> for the project.
>
I tend to use at least two logging streams: debugging and operational. I 
leave debugging statements in production code: its normally off (of 
course) but can be turned on if needed. Operational debugging includes 
informational and error messages to be used by sysadmins which are always 
enabled and should be fairly infrequent as well as performance 
measurement messages. The latter can be configured on or off. As others 
have said, the messages need to be designed with both log stream 
selection and ease of parsing for later analysis in mind. 

In a C application for a *NIX OS its easiest to send all these messages 
to the system logger and let it deal with creating separate logs for the 
various message streams: its then trivial to use 'tail' to present the 
operational stream to sysadmins. 

If the application is written in a language that doesn't provide easy 
access to the system logger or is run on an OS that doesn't have one, I'd 
include a custom logging process as part of the application.


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    Re: analysis of java application logs Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2011-05-23 19:16 +0200
      Re: analysis of java application logs Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-23 15:02 -0400
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        Re: analysis of java application logs Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-05-23 22:25 +0000
          Re: analysis of java application logs Nigel Wade <nmw-news@ion.le.ac.uk> - 2011-05-24 12:26 +0100
            Re: analysis of java application logs Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-05-24 12:29 +0000
              Re: analysis of java application logs Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-24 08:49 -0400
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        Re: analysis of java application logs Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-30 01:08 -0400

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