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Re: analysis of java application logs

From	Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject	Re: analysis of java application logs
Date	2011-05-23 22:03 +0200
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On 23/05/2011 21:02, Lew allegedly wrote:
> On 05/23/2011 01:16 PM, Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
>> I've been faced a while ago with a situation where some orthogonal
>> organisational unit wanted to exploit my logs. I told them to GTFO.
>>
>> My logs are my logs. I put in it what I consider necessary. I often
>> improve them as I step through the code. I might change the message, fix
>> the level, &c. I don't want to have them set in stone. Neither do I
>> generally have enough confidence in them to allow them to be used for
>> analysis.
>>
>> "The solution, then, is simple", I told them, "spec out the exact
>> messages and arguments you want, and the exact situations you want them
>> logged in, and I'll add them for you. But leave me my precious debugging
>> logs."
>>
>> Let me emphasize: IMHO debugging logs and logs for analysis are two
>> different things and should be kept strictly separated -- possibly
>> logged to a different target respectively.
>
> That last is rather a brilliant idea, to use different targets.
> Heretofore I've espoused that logs are primarily an operations tool, not
> a debugging tool, although in service of the former they inevitably and
> inherently must support the former. The problem I've always seen is that
> logging statements are left up to the programmer, and not specified for
> the project.
>

I'd call it (what I described): audit logging. I don't know if the 
meaning of that term normally extends beyond databases, but I don't see 
why it shouldn't.

-- 
DF.
An escaped convict once said to me:
"Alcatraz is the place to be"

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      Re: analysis of java application logs Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-23 15:02 -0400
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            Re: analysis of java application logs Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-05-23 20:27 +0200
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              Re: analysis of java application logs Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-23 15:06 -0400
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        Re: analysis of java application logs Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-30 01:08 -0400

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