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Re: We are personal beings.

Subject Re: We are personal beings.
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From % <pursent100@gmail.com>
Date 2025-03-11 12:31 -0700
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Terry Miles wrote:
> % wrote:
> 
>> Terry Miles wrote:
>>> Xx/v]andrak|≡xX wrote:
>>>
>>>> Terry Miles wrote:
>>>>> jojo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Terry Miles wrote:
>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/9/2025 11:02 PM, Terry Miles wrote:
>>>>>>>>> jojo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Terry Miles wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/9/2025 9:55 AM, Terry Miles wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/9/25 1:34 AM, In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/03/2025 6:18 pm, Ted wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Religion and bible reading is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nowhere near enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wanna suck black ass.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't necessarily subscribe to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice, but I will die in the defence and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preservation of your rights!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully, if it comes to that, I will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receive a Medal of Honour!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yours,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If such would happen, there would no longer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be any "I"; you do understand that, don't you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's none now. No "you" or "me" either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's an interesting hypothesis, assuming that I
>>>>>>>>>>>> understand what you're getting at here, namely,
>>>>>>>>>>>> the claim that our minds are "imaginary".  It's
>>>>>>>>>>>> kind of like the dilemma of those who advocate
>>>>>>>>>>>> hard determinism and the absence of free will --
>>>>>>>>>>>> is the position that they advocate a "free"
>>>>>>>>>>>> choice on their part??
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I think that's involved with it too. But it's
>>>>>>>>>>> not that our minds are imaginary, it's that our
>>>>>>>>>>> selves are a story we make up.  Hume said something
>>>>>>>>>>> like that with his "bundle" idea, and of course
>>>>>>>>>>> Buddha too said the self is illusory. According to
>>>>>>>>>>> Dennett, the self is the center of narrative
>>>>>>>>>>> gravity, i.e. it's quite handy to use, but not
>>>>>>>>>>> actually real.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> we could also be a simulation, which is looking more
>>>>>>>>>> and more likely.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LOL. See Donald Hoffman "The Case Against Reality". You
>>>>>>>>> might like it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I presume that I exist, and I presume that I have free
>>>>>>>> will, all the while acknowledging that neither (or both)
>>>>>>>> may, in fact, be true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well said. Seems to be the wisest option.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> well free will or determinism are both predicated on
>>>>>> existence. i feel its less about free will and more about
>>>>>> chaos.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chaos, as in shit just happening? ... Yeah, I think you're
>>>>> probably right.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>> Your mouth is as vulgar as your last name.
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL. "Miles" is vulgar?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Have you ever seen a
>>>> grown man digested by increments of six hours apart?
>>>
>>>
>>> No, thank gawd.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have the
>>>> power to change my mind yet announcing such seems a large sight
>>>> closer to explaining myself than achieving an agenda.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure lol.
>>>
>>>
> 
>> can't you see him in his ,
>> oversized plastic fireman hat ,
>> riding up front on his big wheel
> 
> 
> LOL. Who the hell is he?
> 
who knows some drifter that has lost his way

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Re: We are personal beings. "Ted" <ted.street@yahoo.net> - 2025-03-09 07:18 +0000
  Re: We are personal beings. In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2025-03-09 18:34 +1100
    Re: We are personal beings. "Ted" <ted.street@yahoo.net> - 2025-03-09 08:15 +0000
      Re: We are personal beings. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 13:07 +0000
        Re: We are personal beings. Rudy Canoza <rc@jolly.invalid> - 2025-03-09 09:24 -0400
        Re: We are personal beings. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 09:45 -0700
          Re: We are personal beings. "Ted" <ted.street@yahoo.net> - 2025-03-09 20:47 +0000
            Re: We are personal beings. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 13:49 -0700
              Re: We are personal beings. "Ted" <ted.street@yahoo.net> - 2025-03-09 21:32 +0000
        Re: We are personal beings. "Ted" <ted.street@yahoo.net> - 2025-03-09 20:30 +0000
          Re: We are personal beings. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 13:43 -0700
            Re: We are personal beings. "Ted" <ted.street@yahoo.net> - 2025-03-09 20:48 +0000
              Re: We are personal beings. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 13:50 -0700
                Re: We are personal beings. "Ted" <ted.street@yahoo.net> - 2025-03-09 21:33 +0000
                Re: We are personal beings. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 14:35 -0700
                Re: We are personal beings. "Ted" <ted.street@yahoo.net> - 2025-03-09 22:06 +0000
                Re: We are personal beings. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 15:29 -0700
                Re: We are personal beings. "Ted" <ted.street@yahoo.net> - 2025-03-10 00:25 +0000
                Re: We are personal beings. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 18:22 -0700
        Re: We are personal beings. jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-03-09 22:31 +0000
          Re: We are personal beings. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 15:37 -0700
            Re: We are personal beings. jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-03-09 23:09 +0000
              Re: We are personal beings. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 17:11 -0700
                Re: We are personal beings. jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-03-10 00:17 +0000
                Re: We are personal beings. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 17:18 -0700
    Re: We are personal beings. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 13:08 +0000
      Re: We are personal beings. "Terry Miles" <tmiles43@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-09 14:55 +0000
        Re: We are personal beings. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 09:47 -0700
          Re: We are personal beings. Xx/v]andrak|≡xX <xmfuller@t.query.com> - 2025-03-09 16:36 -0500
            Re: We are personal beings. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 14:44 -0700
              Re: We are personal beings. Xx/v]andrak|≡xX <xmfuller@t.query.com> - 2025-03-09 16:52 -0500
                Re: We are personal beings. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 15:29 -0700
                Re: We are personal beings. Xx/v]andrak|≡xX <xmfuller@t.query.com> - 2025-03-10 02:38 -0500
        Re: We are personal beings. Xx/v]andrak|≡xX <xmfuller@t.query.com> - 2025-03-09 16:36 -0500
        Re: We are personal beings. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 20:56 -0500
          Re: We are personal beings. "Terry Miles" <tmiles43@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-10 02:06 +0000
            Re: We are personal beings. jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-03-10 02:45 +0000
              Re: We are personal beings. "Terry Miles" <tmiles43@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-10 04:02 +0000
                Re: We are personal beings. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 11:15 -0500
                Re: We are personal beings. "Terry Miles" <tmiles43@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-10 19:13 +0000
                Re: We are personal beings. jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-03-10 22:58 +0000
                Re: We are personal beings. "Terry Miles" <tmiles43@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-11 03:53 +0000
                Re: We are personal beings. Xx/v]andrak|≡xX <xmfuller@t.query.com> - 2025-03-11 05:01 -0500
                Re: We are personal beings. "Terry Miles" <tmiles43@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-11 19:20 +0000
                Re: We are personal beings. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 12:24 -0700
                Re: We are personal beings. "Terry Miles" <tmiles43@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-11 19:27 +0000
                Re: We are personal beings. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 12:31 -0700
                Re: We are personal beings. "Terry Miles" <tmiles43@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-11 19:47 +0000
                Re: We are personal beings. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 12:54 -0700
                Re: We are personal beings. "Terry Miles" <tmiles43@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-12 00:36 +0000
                Re: We are personal beings. Xx/v]andrak|≡xX <xmfuller@t.query.com> - 2025-03-13 05:45 -0500
                Re: We are personal beings. jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-03-10 22:55 +0000
                Re: We are personal beings. "Terry Miles" <tmiles43@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-11 03:54 +0000

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