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Re: Why isn't it any longer possible to send email via a Google email server

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On 10/12/2020 10.52, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
> On 09/12/2020 20:23, J.O. Aho wrote:
>> On 09/12/2020 19.37, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
> 
>>>> NOTE: icinga is like nagios, but better :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Horribly over complex for simple usage. I wouldn't go there.
>>
>> Sure it can be overkill, but far from complex and there is click and 
>> point configuration solutions for those who don't like to edit config 
>> files.
>>
> 
> For monitoring a few servers (or a hundred) Icinga/Nagios is fine. For 
> what sounds like one, er, nah. I'd just write a cron script.

Sure if you just have one service, I can agree, but as I don't know 
about the OP real needs, I can only suggest what I would have used, as I 
would have been interested in more metrics.



> I do use Icinga here to monitor a large count of servers (over hundred) 
> and currently taking the jump to manage the server config with Puppet, 
> as it has become an annoying beast to do it sensibly by hand, and things 
> unfortunately have dependencies that can break.

Yes, I been there once in time, but sadly much was manual work and back 
then had a lot worse software to monitor things. For me the salvation 
was cluster ssh, so I could do everything "once" instead of logging into 
32 different machines to do exactly the same things (but sadly many 
machines were individually setup for customers). At least I didn't have 
to work so much with the microsoft windows server, back then there was 
no good way of handling anything on them other than use rdp.



> Picking up someone else's badly crafted Icinga configuration, and also 
> describing that to non-technical people is a huge sticking point.

I would remove the "badly crafted" from your statement, even well 
written configuration can be difficult if they not match your thought of 
how things are connected to each other.

But the thing is that IMHO icinga/nagios config is simpler to handle 
than many of the microsoft windows only products, which tend to be 
difficult to find where to configure and difficult to do things you want 
to do.



> Junking that configuration, and starting wholy anew is sadly not an 
> option - business interference is too much as a new config would have to 
> be validated, would have bugs, miss service dependencies etc ...

Yes, but you can always hope for that it's time to switch to a new 
generation of configuration say the traditional nagios/icinga config to 
the newer icinga config, just say that the support of the old type is 
discontinued in next version and you need to have that one for being 
able to monitor how much time people spend on private emails ;) Then you 
will get the time/resources you need to fix the config :P



> FWIW Found someone talking positively on youtube about NEMS Linux.
> 
> It's a Nagios built distribution that runs on a single board computer.
> https://nemslinux.com/

Neat, but I have to say I like Icinga web ui and OP5's ninja ui more 
than the nagios ui.

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