Re: Microsoft end of support dates

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.computer.workshop
Subject	Re: Microsoft end of support dates
Date	2020-07-16 16:45 -0700
Message-ID	<hnc75bF63f2U2@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
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On 7/16/20 4:28 PM, Diesel wrote:
> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
> news:hnblo6F2krpU2@mid.individual.net Thu, 16 Jul 2020 18:48:38 GMT
> in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
> 
>> On 7/16/20 6:02 AM, Joel wrote:
>>> Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
>>>> news:sudugftbfprq7bvo8v1iapog2ghr2uc4d5@4ax.com Wed, 15 Jul 2020
>>>> 17:09:19 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>>> "Apd" <not@all.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There were a lot of changes in Vista and much code will have
>>>>>> been reworked/rewritten but it is still an incremental build
>>>>>> from NT 5.2 (Server 2003) to NT 6.0 (Vista) of the same NT OS
>>>>>> as conceived by Dave Cutler and friends. There has been
>>>>>> redesign of some nmajor components.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "building on the Windows Server 2003 codebase"
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Windows_Vista
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That, and a series of linked entries from there show how much
>>>>>> work and changes went into it over a long period.
>>>>>
>>>>> Reading that does elucidate some of the timing aspects, but
>>>>> it's still amazing that it was released with the quality of a
>>>>> beta, and it took till the second service pack to change that.
>>>>> If it wasn't a rewrite, they sure could've fooled me into
>>>>> thinking it was.
>>>>
>>>> They fooled you then. I'm just curious as to why you have a
>>>> different attitude with Apd than you do with me, despite both of
>>>> us telling you the same thing. Apd tells you one time, provides
>>>> nothing to support it, you accept it. I do the same, provide
>>>> supporting evidence, you continue to argue with me. What's the
>>>> deal?
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't really accept that Vista wasn't a rewrite or close to it.
>>>   The point I was making in reply to Apd is that if it *wasn't* a
>>> rewrite, it sure looked like one.
>>>
>>
>> I think MS tried to at least pass it off as one. As big as the
>> code base was, though, it was not a full re-write in the sense of
>> say moving from Classic Mac to Mac OS X / MacOS.
> 
> That's a marketing dept for you, if that's actually what happened.

I think it is -- but it is not like I have dug back to find old ads or 
the like.

> I
> suspect someone misquoted something they were told and assumed that
> Vista was a from scratch rewrite. It's not, not even close. It has a
> shitload of code shared with windows XP, and it should, it's based
> off the XP codebase.

I would agree. It was not like Apple moving from Classic Mac to OS X / 
macOS.


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Re: Microsoft end of support dates "Apd" <not@all.invalid> - 2020-07-11 19:54 +0100
  Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 15:30 -0400
    Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-11 13:04 -0700
      Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 16:54 -0400
        Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-11 15:09 -0700
        Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 04:27 +0000
          Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 07:12 -0400
            Re: Microsoft end of support dates "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-07-12 13:44 +0200
              Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 07:59 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-12 14:06 +0100
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 09:10 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 15:57 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 15:57 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 12:09 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 18:41 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 14:59 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-14 00:34 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 11:07 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> - 2020-07-12 18:57 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 23:49 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 17:03 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-14 00:34 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-13 18:09 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-15 10:18 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 11:05 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 18:41 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> - 2020-07-12 18:55 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 12:18 -0700
            Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 15:57 +0000
              Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 12:27 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 11:14 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 18:41 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 15:19 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-16 10:59 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-16 09:00 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-16 23:28 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-16 16:44 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-19 05:39 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-19 08:24 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Donald Kingman <dorokkingman@myemail.org> - 2020-07-19 07:48 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> - 2020-07-19 15:25 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-17 08:27 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-19 05:39 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-19 09:31 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-20 05:54 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-19 09:47 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-20 05:54 +0000
            Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 11:02 -0700
              Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 18:41 +0000
    Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 04:27 +0000
      Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 07:15 -0400
        Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 15:57 +0000
          Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 12:36 -0400
            Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 18:41 +0000
              Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 15:33 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 12:35 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 16:11 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 13:17 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 16:47 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 13:52 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-13 09:18 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-13 16:18 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> - 2020-07-12 21:02 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 23:49 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-13 09:46 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-14 00:34 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-14 07:45 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-15 10:18 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-15 08:23 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates "Apd" <not@all.invalid> - 2020-07-15 15:56 +0100
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> - 2020-07-15 15:33 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates "Apd" <not@all.invalid> - 2020-07-15 16:55 +0100
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> - 2020-07-15 16:01 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates "Apd" <not@all.invalid> - 2020-07-15 18:14 +0100
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> - 2020-07-15 17:46 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-15 14:50 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> - 2020-07-16 15:11 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-15 12:02 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-16 10:59 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-15 13:09 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-16 10:59 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-16 09:02 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-16 11:48 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-16 23:28 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-16 16:45 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-16 23:28 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-17 08:31 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-19 05:39 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-19 09:35 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-19 11:59 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-20 05:54 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-19 23:24 -0700
  Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-11 13:03 -0700

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