Re: Microsoft end of support dates

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.computer.workshop
Subject	Re: Microsoft end of support dates
Date	2020-07-16 11:48 -0700
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On 7/16/20 6:02 AM, Joel wrote:
> Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
>> news:sudugftbfprq7bvo8v1iapog2ghr2uc4d5@4ax.com Wed, 15 Jul 2020
>> 17:09:19 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>> "Apd" <not@all.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There were a lot of changes in Vista and much code will have been
>>>> reworked/rewritten but it is still an incremental build from NT
>>>> 5.2 (Server 2003) to NT 6.0 (Vista) of the same NT OS as conceived
>>>> by Dave Cutler and friends. There has been redesign of some nmajor
>>>> components.
>>>>
>>>> "building on the Windows Server 2003 codebase"
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Windows_Vista
>>>>
>>>> That, and a series of linked entries from there show how much work
>>>> and changes went into it over a long period.
>>>
>>> Reading that does elucidate some of the timing aspects, but it's
>>> still amazing that it was released with the quality of a beta, and
>>> it took till the second service pack to change that.  If it wasn't
>>> a rewrite, they sure could've fooled me into thinking it was.
>>
>> They fooled you then. I'm just curious as to why you have a different
>> attitude with Apd than you do with me, despite both of us telling you
>> the same thing. Apd tells you one time, provides nothing to support
>> it, you accept it. I do the same, provide supporting evidence, you
>> continue to argue with me. What's the deal?
> 
> 
> I don't really accept that Vista wasn't a rewrite or close to it.  The
> point I was making in reply to Apd is that if it *wasn't* a rewrite,
> it sure looked like one.
> 

I think MS tried to at least pass it off as one. As big as the code base 
was, though, it was not a full re-write in the sense of say moving from 
Classic Mac to Mac OS X / MacOS.

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  Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-10 21:42 -0700
    Re: Microsoft end of support dates David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-11 06:06 +0100
      Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-10 22:18 -0700
        Re: Microsoft end of support dates David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-11 06:33 +0100
          Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-10 22:53 -0700
            Re: Microsoft end of support dates David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-11 07:31 +0100
              Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-11 12:54 -0700
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    Re: Microsoft end of support dates "Apd" <not@all.invalid> - 2020-07-11 19:54 +0100
      Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 15:30 -0400
        Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-11 13:04 -0700
          Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 16:54 -0400
            Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-11 15:09 -0700
            Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 04:27 +0000
              Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 07:12 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-07-12 13:44 +0200
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 07:59 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-12 14:06 +0100
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 09:10 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 15:57 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 15:57 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 12:09 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 18:41 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 14:59 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-14 00:34 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 11:07 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> - 2020-07-12 18:57 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 23:49 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 17:03 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-14 00:34 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-13 18:09 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-15 10:18 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 11:05 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 18:41 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> - 2020-07-12 18:55 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 12:18 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 15:57 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 12:27 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 11:14 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 18:41 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 15:19 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-16 10:59 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-16 09:00 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-16 23:28 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-16 16:44 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-19 05:39 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-19 08:24 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Donald Kingman <dorokkingman@myemail.org> - 2020-07-19 07:48 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> - 2020-07-19 15:25 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-17 08:27 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-19 05:39 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-19 09:31 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-20 05:54 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-19 09:47 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-20 05:54 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 11:02 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 18:41 +0000
        Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 04:27 +0000
          Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 07:15 -0400
            Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 15:57 +0000
              Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 12:36 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 18:41 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 15:33 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 12:35 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 16:11 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 13:17 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 16:47 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 13:52 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-13 09:18 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-13 16:18 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> - 2020-07-12 21:02 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 23:49 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-13 09:46 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-14 00:34 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-14 07:45 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-15 10:18 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-15 08:23 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates "Apd" <not@all.invalid> - 2020-07-15 15:56 +0100
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> - 2020-07-15 15:33 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates "Apd" <not@all.invalid> - 2020-07-15 16:55 +0100
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> - 2020-07-15 16:01 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates "Apd" <not@all.invalid> - 2020-07-15 18:14 +0100
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> - 2020-07-15 17:46 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-15 14:50 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> - 2020-07-16 15:11 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-15 12:02 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-16 10:59 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-15 13:09 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-16 10:59 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-16 09:02 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-16 11:48 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-16 23:28 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-16 16:45 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-16 23:28 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-17 08:31 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-19 05:39 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-19 09:35 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-19 11:59 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-20 05:54 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-19 23:24 -0700
      Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-11 13:03 -0700
    Re: Microsoft end of support dates Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2020-07-11 14:59 -0500
    Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 04:27 +0000
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        Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 15:57 +0000
      Re: Microsoft end of support dates Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-12 07:09 -0700
  Re: Microsoft end of support dates Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2020-07-11 14:57 -0500

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