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Re: Microsoft end of support dates

From Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Newsgroups alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.computer.workshop
Subject Re: Microsoft end of support dates
Date 2020-07-12 15:19 -0400
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Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote:

>>>Native legacy support has continued to be weined away with later
>>>NT editions. They no longer natively emulate 16bit for example. If
>>>you want to be able to execute native 16bit DOS code under a
>>>modern NT OS, you'll be using DOSBOX. And soon enough, they'll be
>>>no more native DOS emulation of any kind. Console IS NOT DOS, even
>>>if it might look very close to it to an end user.
>> 
>> Duh.
>
>Duh? How many end users do you think actually know a console window 
>on their windows 10 machine is NOT a DOS prompt? I'd say it's a small 
>minority of users who actually know it, or even know what DOS is in 
>the first place. Especially these days.


That could be true, but I knew about Windows API console programming
in 1995, when I bought Borland C++.


>For that matter, how many end users do you know that actually 
>understand a chromebook is not a full fledged, actual laptop in the 
>true sense of the word? Any idea? I ask because you wouldn't believe 
>how many calls I've gotten from people who bought a chromebook, 
>thinking they were getting such a good deal who wanted to 'upgrade 
>it' to Windows 10. <G>
>
>Now, I fully admit, I don't know of any way to load Windows 10 onto a 
>chromebook, without possibly? googling for an answer. I've never 
>tried.


I have to say, I'd be amazed if anyone pulled it off.  I've heard of
getting them to run Linux, but at best I'd expect them to be
underpowered for Windows.


>>>It was mostly due to legacy app dependance (primarily for business
>>>users who had in house customized tools/apps written which did 
>>>anything from running robots on an assembly line to plastic mold 
>>>injection machines) that the NTVDM allowed 16bit apps in the first
>>>place,
>> 
>> There were other reasons, I'm sorry if you are too senile to
>> remember that.
>
>senile? Joel, umm, let's not even go there; I've yet to state that I 
>thought I was Jesus Christ himself at any point in time, but I do 
>recall you stating as such...


Not precisely, Jesus was a deity in the flesh, and still is
spiritually.


>>>NT doesn't even support NE based code natively anymore, and that 
>>>wasn't DOS. Legacy is on the way out, and has been for a long time
>>>now, Joel. MS doesn't want you running legacy apps anymore, they
>>>pose a security risk due to their inherent designs which cannot
>>>easily be corrected with a modern OS.
>> 
>> Again, we weren't discussing the current era, we were discussing
>> 18-20 years ago.
>
>NE apps aren't DOS, Joel. They're native Windows compiled .exe files, 
>but they aren't PE exe files and for that reason, later editions of 
>Windows will not run them for you, without some extensive hand 
>holding on your part, and that's not always a sure thing either.


Right, but I was speaking specifically of the 2000/XP era.


>XP isn't a modern OS, Joel; it's from 2001. And it had security in 
>mind with it's design too. Vista and up took things much more 
>seriously to the point of being too restrictive, imho, and much worse 
>for legacy apps completely unaware of the OS security rules changes.


I know what you're saying there, but at the same time, there's always
a point at which a piece of software is obsolete.  On the whole, I
think Microsoft has done a decent job of supporting legacy code as
long as is reasonable.


>>>I'm not your bitch Joel. Thanks. It wasn't an upgrade, either. It
>>>was a new flavor, a new series, but it was based on NT4.
>> 
>> So if a person running NT 4 bought the 2000 Professional upgrade
>> package, it wouldn't be usable to upgrade their NT?  Gee, that's
>> strange ...
>
>That's not what I wrote, Joel...


Not precisely, you're right, it's just that you hadn't interpreted
what I wrote fairly either.  When I called 2000 an "upgrade" to NT 4,
I simply meant it was the next version of that OS, built on its
existing codebase.


>>> XP wasn't 
>>>intended to be a stop gap, either. Me existed to do that, it made
>>>an active effort to 'hide DOS' from you, to get you used to the
>>>idea of DOS being no more. 
>> 
>> I never said XP was a "stop gap", in fact I said just the
>> opposite, which is common knowledge, that it was the finalized NT
>> for every type of user.
>
>NT was coming for everyone regardless, MS wanted DOS dead; it was 
>insecure from the getgo and nothing they did on the windows 9x side 
>was ever going to change that for the better.


Well, yeah, I for one couldn't even wait for them to finish the job,
that's why I insisted on my mom and I getting a computer with 2000
shortly after its release.  It took a little persuasion, but once we
got it home, she agreed with me it was the right way to go.  No
comparison to running Win98.


>>>Joel, when you can read/write intel 16/32bit assembler in your
>>>sleep, you will have the right to compare yourself to me.
>> 
>> I learned assembly language, including x86, long ago.  I'm not a
>> programmer by career, as I left that behind when I dropped out of
>> college, but while I was in college I was more like a teacher's
>> assistant in my comp sci classes than a student.
>
>I started with motorola and moved upto x86 when I got my first 286 at 
>home...


I started with 6502, because there was no other really powerful way to
program the Apple IIe we had before the Win95 computer.  I then read a
book about x86 assembly, and took a class on it in college (just
16-bit DOS, though, admittedly).


>> You were wrong multiple times in this thread, and got called out
>> on it, not just by me.
>
>I'm not perfect, Joel, and, we've been discussing things from a long 
>time ago. lol.


True, I'm actually kind of surprised I remember it all so well, if I'd
been my current age back then, I doubt I would.


>> Honestly, there weren't any major differences between 2000 with
>> service pack 2 and later, and XP - as I mentioned, that service
>> pack for 2000 backported the key improvements.  
>
>Oh, yes, there was. You may not have noticed them though. A lot of it 
>had to do with networking support, and various api improvements. Not 
>to mention many bug fixes and security patches. And there had been 
>some changes to the way in which drivers were handled by the OS too.
>
>End users might not have noticed much, but, business users and those 
>who developed software under the OSes did.


I would clarify that the differences became more relevant in the later
years of XP's life, because 2000 was no longer supported by Microsoft
and application developers.  And of course, since then, 7 has become
more the baseline version.

-- 
Joel Crump

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                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2020-07-12 14:01 -0500
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 16:23 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-13 07:00 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-13 10:09 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-13 16:18 +0000
        Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-10 12:40 -0700
          Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 07:48 -0400
            Re: Microsoft end of support dates "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-07-11 21:14 +0200
              Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 15:32 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-11 13:04 -0700
              Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-11 13:04 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-07-11 23:13 +0200
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-11 15:08 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-07-12 01:30 +0200
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-11 16:44 -0700
            Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-11 12:56 -0700
      Re: Microsoft end of support dates Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2020-07-10 15:15 -0500
        Re: Microsoft end of support dates "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-18 20:26 +0100
  Re: Microsoft end of support dates "Colonel Edmund J. Burke" <lorzmysnusauge@blkzd.com> - 2020-07-10 11:15 -0700

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