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Re: Microsoft end of support dates

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.computer.workshop
Subject	Re: Microsoft end of support dates
Date	2020-07-16 11:47 -0700
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On 7/16/20 6:20 AM, Joel wrote:
> Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
...
>> How is what I wrote not as concise and clear as what he wrote to
>> you? Further, I provided you more specific information than he did.
>> He was of the mistaken impression that he couldn't load the non
>> distro version and copy all of his things over to it.
> 
> You have a strong tendency to put words in my mouth. 

He has bad comprehension skills *and* likes to change topics to things 
he at least thinks he understands. It is... a bit odd to say the least.

At the same time I think he DOES have a lot of tech knowledge.

> Of course there
> should be a way to copy those files, but it wouldn't be any less
> trouble than just putting in my Gmail password, etc., to the various
> sites I use.  Bookmarks would just be a simple export and import from
> the Ubuntu Firefox to the Mozilla generic Linux Firefox.  But neither
> method is worthwhile since Ubuntu releases updates to Firefox
> regularly.

Makes sense. And what you explained to me was concise, on topic, and 
explained your situation and the details of the secondary install just 
fine.

>> He doesn't
>> seem to know the folders location or the actual names of the files
>> he needs to copy.
> 
> I could find that out, though, if it were important to me.

Diesel has done this with me repeatedly -- assumed that since I did not 
speak of tangential content that MUST mean I was not aware of it.

There are times he is right about my not knowing the details as well as 
he apparently does. One example is when I noted the commonality of using 
a three second press on a power button to turn devices of many kinds 
off. This is true. I did not ever say or suggest in any way that the 
METHOD by which this works is the same, nor did I suggest it was 
different. It was not relevant.

Diesel jumped in assuming that since I did not explicitly say it was 
different I must not have known that -- a complete and utter failure on 
his part to understand what he read. I was very well aware that this 
could be done in different ways. Then he went off on a long tangent 
about what the different ways were -- and assuming he was accurate he 
knows more about it than I do. Cool he knows more... weird he cannot 
understand what he reads and has such a need to try to impress.

>> I do, it's why I wrote what I did. It's how I keep
>> all my computers with the same bookmarks on them. They aren't all
>> even using the same OS, but since I know where the important files
>> are and what they are named, that doesn't matter.

I have different bookmarks on different devices on purpose. I look for 
different things on my desktop than on my phone.

>> Snit, cluebyfour, we disagreed with each other in our replies to
>> you. I don't see how that's more concise and clear for you. He told
>> you no, I told you yes and went onto tell you what else you could
>> copy over if you wanted to do so. He was concerned with losing
>> things - if he really knew what he was doing, he wouldn't be losing
>> anything, and wouldn't have told you no.
> 
> 
> I never said anything about "losing" things, that's not at all what I
> meant to say, either - it's just that the Ubuntu Firefox already has
> all my sites logged in, etc., why would I need to get the latest
> Firefox from Mozilla when I know Ubuntu will release it within a few
> days?

Diesel is not understanding what you say so he is making tons of false 
assumptions based on bits of knowledge he has. In D&D terms he might 
have a very high INT but a very low WIS. :)

>> And, he'd know the non distro build doesn't have to be installed
>> into his /home folder, either. It could be installed to the same
>> location as the already existing one,
> 
> Not true.  I don't have write access to where Ubuntu's Firefox is
> stored.  It's also not precisely the same version, so I'd risk
> breaking something, trying to replace it.  It's just better to get
> updates from Ubuntu.

The Linux repositories are a big benefit to Linux... and something Apple 
and MS have moved toward. Nothing wrong with using them!

I use the non-repository version of ScreenFlow, but those that use the 
Repository version have to wait a few days for updates. Generally not a 
big deal and not worth downloading the other version.

>> or his /home folder or damn
>> near any other place he wants. And he can, whenever he likes, copy
>> the distro browsers info to the non distro version. His history, the
>> cookies, bookmarks, even the fucking cache itself if he actually
>> wanted it for some reason. Again, he wouldn't have told you no and
>> given you a lazy generic reason for why if he really knew the OS as
>> well as he lets on.
> 
> I don't claim to know Linux all that well, actually.  I learn what I
> need to install and use it, but I knew a lot more about Windows.  I
> was a Windows fan, I was a poster in aco.windows-10, one of the groups
> in this thread, before I switched to Linux.  Microsoft lost my support
> with their horrible Windows 10 indefinite beta test.

Diesel gets very worked up and brags a lot to try to impress. It is weird.

>> Hell Snit, as part of my data backup procedures, my browsers data
>> folder is also backed up. So I can easily restore my previous
>> browsing experience if something breaks. I've got a lot of custom
>> bookmarks, and logins for electronics related sites, so I too need
>> my browser to remember things for me. And like Joel, I take
>> advantage of browser history to quickly return to some site I found
>> interesting but didn't have the time on my last visit to explore as
>> much as I wanted.
> 
> 
> I didn't mention doing that, but it is true that I use the history to
> find sites again at times.

Diesel is bragging he uses, sigh, his browser history. Really? Does he 
not get that a large part of the reason browsers keep such a history is 
to allow the very thing being described? It is not like he has found 
some clever use for it!

Now if he was merely showing his workflow and asking about how others 
did things that would be fine -- but he assumes he is doing something 
special. It is weird how he can know so much about computers but be 
completely clueless as to how they tend to be used.

>> Before you misunderstand this reply to be an attack on your friend,
>> know that it's not anything of the kind. Your friend came a bit off
>> the handle at me the other day and talked a little bit out of turn.
>> I'm going to let it slide though, He's done no real harm, and I
>> think we both have a better undertanding of the other now. See snit,
>> that's how it works in the adult world. You should join us sometime.
> 
> 
> I'm not really into holding grudges at this point in my life.  We
> could argue over "whose fault it is", or we could just move on and
> have some interesting discussions, and I'm glad we seem to prefer the
> latter.

I love how Diesel is being so kind as to let his imagined slight "slide" 
-- as if he keeps a score card. Yeah... I am like you and don't see the 
point to holding grudges. Hell, as you know I have even repeatedly 
offered Carroll an olive branch. And I likely will again. And I do with 
Diesel, even with his current issues.

He has high INT, but low WIS and CHA.

(To be taken with a grain of salt!)

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-20 14:35 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-20 11:39 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-20 14:56 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-20 20:41 +0100
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-20 15:49 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-20 22:30 +0100
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-20 17:36 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-20 14:53 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-21 08:31 +0100
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-21 07:07 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-21 15:07 +0100
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-21 10:36 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-21 16:54 +0100
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-21 12:23 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-21 18:44 +0100
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-21 13:54 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-20 06:47 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-20 06:47 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-20 06:47 +0000
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                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-19 10:16 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-20 06:47 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 12:57 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 16:20 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 13:27 -0700
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                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-15 08:32 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-16 10:59 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-16 09:33 -0400
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-16 11:34 -0700
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-19 05:39 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-19 05:39 +0000
                Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-19 10:25 -0400
      Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 15:57 +0000
    Re: Microsoft end of support dates Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-12 15:57 +0000
      Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 13:01 -0400
        Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 11:14 -0700
      Re: Microsoft end of support dates Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-12 11:07 -0700
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      Re: Microsoft end of support dates Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 16:23 -0400
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