Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes

From	"J.O. Aho" <user@example.net>
Newsgroups	alt.os.linux, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes
Date	2020-04-06 16:09 +0200
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On 06/04/2020 14.19, F Russell wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Apr 2020 13:24:25 +0200, J.O. Aho wrote:
> 
>>
>> You know you will have the same xorg and devd (instead of eudev), so
>> your life will be as fucked up with BSD as with Linux.
>>
> 
> Doesn't FreeBSD also use static nodes?  I don't know yet because
> I have not researched.

I guess you can write dome devd rules to handle that, it's quite long 
ago I run BSD, back in the days when a computer was good hardware.

> But the thing about udev (eudev) is that it should be totally
> optional but it is not, and this is a serious design flaw.

There was other tools befoe udev/eudev like mdev (you can not run the 
latest version of evdev with it), you had also HAL but both Linux and 
FreeBSD migrated away from HAL around 2008, think FreeBSD may have been 
faster as in Linux you had a time with udev+HAL as companion tools, 
before udev could replace HAL completely.

> Consider the similar management service called avahi.  The
> purpose of avahi is to determine what is on the local network,
> but some people (imagine that!) actually already know what is
> on their local network.  Therefore, such people can opt out
> of using avahi.  Wow!  How's that for a concept!
 >
> Udev (eudev) should be similarly optional but it's not and
> this is a serious design failure.

They are, but you are limited in what applications you can use, as they 
may have dependencies to udev in the same way as desktop environments 
had dependencies to HAL.

I guess you think it's silly to be able to automount a usb storage that 
you plugin.

> Such a serious design flaw cannot be so easily dismissed by
> simply saying that one has to "move forward" or "keep up
> with the times."  A flaw is not progress.

You can of course stay back with a vulnerable xorg version, no one will 
stop you, just look around you there are still people using windows xp 
and windows 10.

-- 

  //Aho

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Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2020-04-05 22:17 +0000
  Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2020-04-05 22:29 +0000
    Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2020-04-05 22:47 +0000
      Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2020-04-06 02:41 +0000
        Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2020-04-06 02:54 +0000
  Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-04-05 21:45 -0400
    Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2020-04-06 02:45 +0000
  Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2020-04-05 21:14 -0500
    Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2020-04-06 02:50 +0000
      Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2020-04-05 22:57 -0500
        Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2020-04-06 11:00 +0000
          Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2020-04-06 13:24 +0200
            Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2020-04-06 11:41 +0000
              Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2020-04-06 15:53 +0200
                Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2020-04-06 14:14 +0000
                Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2020-04-06 14:19 +0000
                Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes Fenris <fenris@invalid.invalid> - 2020-04-06 14:29 +0000
                Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2020-04-06 17:04 +0200
            Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2020-04-06 12:19 +0000
              Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2020-04-06 16:09 +0200
                Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2020-04-06 14:46 +0000
          Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2020-04-06 07:24 -0500
            Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2020-04-06 13:47 +0000
              Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2020-04-06 08:58 -0500
          Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2020-04-06 14:58 +0000
            Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2020-04-06 18:17 +0000
              Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-04-06 22:53 +0200
                Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2020-04-07 20:50 +0000
  Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2020-04-06 07:02 +0200
    Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-04-06 01:32 -0400
      Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2020-04-06 10:44 +0200
        Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-04-06 11:08 +0200
          Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-04-06 05:53 -0400
            Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-04-07 01:37 +0200
          Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2020-04-06 13:05 +0200
    Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-04-06 11:12 +0200
    Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2020-04-06 11:24 +0000
      Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2020-04-06 12:00 +0000
      Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-04-06 08:05 -0400
        Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2020-04-06 13:45 +0000
          Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2020-04-06 14:10 +0000
            Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2020-04-06 14:29 +0000
              Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-04-06 19:05 +0200
                Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2020-04-06 17:25 +0000
                Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes [Solved] F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2020-04-07 19:07 +0000
                Re: Xorg Libinput with Static Nodes [Solved] Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-04-07 21:43 +0000

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