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Re: stdcbench benchmark

From Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: stdcbench benchmark
Date 2018-04-20 08:07 +1200
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On 04/20/2018 07:05 AM, bartc wrote:
> On 18/04/2018 12:01, David Brown wrote:
>> On 18/04/18 12:30, bartc wrote:
> 
>>> And another mark against C++ if the language and the way it's used is so
>>> impossibly complicated that it DOES rely on hyper-optimisation to avoid
>>> it running as slow as an interpreted scripting language.
>>
>> You really do like to complain about /everything/, don't you?  This is
>> not a "mark against C++" - it is a mark against numpties who think they
>> can use a language but have no idea what the tools are for or how to use
>> them.
> 
> David is on holiday so perhaps someone else can pitch in.
> 
> I said the way C++ is used is complicated - true or not?

That applies to any language and depends on the user, doesn't at?

> I said that it relies on optimisation - true or not?

C++ was designed to use inline functions, they are part of the language 
that C++ compilers have always supported.  They have gone on to be part 
of C and saved us from all those ghastly function like macro which some 
people still use.

> I said that it otherwise runs as slow as an interpreted language - true
> or not?

Not.  It is no different from C with small functions.

> And if all those do apply, then it does appear to be a mark against C++
> - true or not?

Not.  That argument is like saying light bulbs are a poor design because 
they rely on electricity, or Netflix is slow over dial-up....

-- 
Ian.

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  Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 02:31 -0700
  Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-15 13:42 +0100
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  Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-15 20:42 +0100
    Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-15 22:31 +0200
      Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-15 23:29 +0100
        Re: stdcbench benchmark Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-04-16 07:48 +0200
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          Re: stdcbench benchmark Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-04-16 11:52 +0200
        Re: stdcbench benchmark Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-04-16 09:56 +0200
          Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 01:58 -0700
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          Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-16 11:37 +0100
            Re: stdcbench benchmark Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 22:42 +1200
            Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-16 12:54 +0200
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