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Re: stdcbench benchmark

From Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: stdcbench benchmark
Date 2018-04-20 11:58 -0700
Organization None to speak of
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bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
[...]
> It's clearly a rubbish bit of syntax.

That's your opinion.  Mine is that it's not nearly as bad as you
say it is.  There is an underlying consistent logic to it, the
"declaration follows use" idea that admittedly is not followed with
100% consistency.

> The question is, whose opinion is worth reading, that of somebody
> pretending there's nothing wrong with it, or of something who says
> what they really think and what should be obvious to everybody?

Most of us concentrate on explaining it and explaining how to use it.
We don't waste our time whining about it.

I routinely acknowledge that C's syntax is not ideal.  Others have as
well.

> I can imagine a newcomer to C who might raise their eyebrows at a some
> odd feature, what they might want is someone to say, Yes you're right,
> it's pretty awful isn't it? But that's what you have to work with.

Or someone to say "Here's how it's defined, and here's how you use it",
which is what happens here all the time.

[...]

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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stdcbench benchmark Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-04-15 10:38 +0200
  Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 02:31 -0700
  Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-15 13:42 +0100
    Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-15 18:00 +0100
      Re: stdcbench benchmark Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-04-15 18:11 +0000
        Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-15 19:30 +0100
          Re: stdcbench benchmark Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-04-15 18:52 +0000
        Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 20:15 -0700
  Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-15 20:42 +0100
    Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-15 22:31 +0200
      Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-15 23:29 +0100
        Re: stdcbench benchmark Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-04-16 07:48 +0200
          Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 23:22 -0700
          Re: stdcbench benchmark Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-04-16 11:52 +0200
        Re: stdcbench benchmark Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-04-16 09:56 +0200
          Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 01:58 -0700
        Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-16 10:08 +0200
          Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-16 11:37 +0100
            Re: stdcbench benchmark Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 22:42 +1200
            Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-16 12:54 +0200
              Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-16 13:02 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-16 14:39 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-16 14:53 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-16 16:32 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-16 14:41 +0000
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-16 15:56 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-16 17:21 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-16 15:43 +0000
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-16 17:00 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-16 16:09 +0000
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-16 17:22 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-17 09:35 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-17 11:42 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-17 14:14 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-04-17 15:49 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-17 18:45 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-17 23:00 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-17 21:18 +0000
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-17 23:20 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-18 09:27 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-18 11:30 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 03:43 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 22:58 +1200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 04:01 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-18 12:39 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 06:52 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-18 13:59 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 06:14 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-19 07:39 +1200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 06:14 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-18 16:31 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 08:00 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-18 17:26 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 08:37 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-18 16:12 +0000
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-18 18:15 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 04:01 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-18 13:01 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 04:15 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-18 13:41 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 05:35 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-18 12:26 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-18 13:58 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-18 22:29 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-04-18 10:34 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-18 22:34 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-18 22:35 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-19 20:05 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 08:07 +1200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-19 23:34 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-04-19 16:05 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-20 00:18 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-25 23:12 +0000
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 16:15 +1200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-20 11:39 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 23:46 +1200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 05:04 -0700
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                Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 06:06 -0700
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                Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 01:40 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-20 12:04 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 04:16 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-20 13:48 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-04-23 11:53 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-23 20:33 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-26 01:00 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-04-20 09:17 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-20 19:25 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-04-20 11:58 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-04-20 12:30 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-20 21:03 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-04-20 22:16 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-20 23:09 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-20 14:42 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 09:30 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-21 07:24 +1200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-20 20:43 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-21 07:59 +1200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-21 08:01 +1200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-20 21:18 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-21 09:17 +1200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-20 23:15 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-18 02:14 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-18 09:54 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 01:21 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-18 11:40 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 11:26 +1200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-18 01:48 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-18 09:58 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-04-16 16:45 +0000
                Re: stdcbench benchmark scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-16 17:31 +0000
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-16 18:53 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-16 17:55 +0000
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-16 19:01 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-04-16 20:28 +0000
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-16 21:57 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-17 09:45 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-17 12:24 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-17 14:31 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-16 16:59 -0500
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-17 01:02 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-17 09:47 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-17 13:16 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-17 14:38 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-17 13:18 +0000
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-17 14:37 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 06:44 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-17 15:58 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-17 15:43 +0000
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 08:47 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-17 08:04 +1200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-16 20:30 +0000
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-04-16 16:31 +0000
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-04-20 14:22 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 00:42 -0700
              Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 07:00 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-16 16:35 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 09:28 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-16 17:42 +0000
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-16 17:07 -0500
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 02:50 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-17 12:42 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-17 11:58 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-04-17 14:01 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-17 13:40 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-04-17 15:41 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-17 14:46 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 06:09 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-17 16:07 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-17 14:43 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-17 15:26 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 07:42 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-17 16:51 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 08:07 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 08:16 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-17 23:17 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-17 17:12 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-17 23:26 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-17 23:38 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 05:52 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-17 16:10 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-17 10:02 +0200
    Re: stdcbench benchmark Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-04-15 23:20 +0200

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