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Re: stdcbench benchmark

From Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: stdcbench benchmark
Date 2018-04-19 07:39 +1200
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On 04/19/2018 01:14 AM, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 1:59:46 PM UTC+1, Bart wrote:
>> On 18/04/2018 11:58, Ian Collins wrote:
>>> On 04/18/2018 10:30 PM, bartc wrote:
>>
>>>> And another mark against C++ if the language and the way it's used is so
>>>> impossibly complicated that it DOES rely on hyper-optimisation to avoid
>>>> it running as slow as an interpreted scripting language.
>>>
>>> Simple inlining isn't what I would call hyper-optimisation!
>>
>> My first reply seems to have disappeared. But I'll try a different tack.
>>
>> If optimisation that gives a 20-40 times increase in performance isn't
>> hyper-optimisation, then would be?
>>
>> Although from the sound of it, it works backwards: you first apply so
>> many layers of functions and templates and classes (and maybe virtual
>> functions and all that stuff I've got no clue about) to slow it down by
>> 10x times when compiled naively, before you bring out the optimiser to
>> clean up the mess. And speed it up another 2x due to normal code
>> optimisation.
>>
>> Which suggests that when writing sensible code in a normal language (ie.
>> not C++), you wouldn't get the 10x performance penalty in the first place.
>>
> Modern C++ encourages that. A lot of the code is forwarding code
> designed to talk to the compiler rather than the processor, and allows
> the data to be deeply abstracted from its underlying representation.

It's not a modern C++ idiom, use of trivial inline functions goes back 
to the origins of the language.  C has C++ compilers to thank for inline 
functions.
> But yes, if you've got ten layers between a = b and the actual assignment,
> then the optimiser will strip those layers out and get you a 10x
> speed up over code compiled naively with each function call a machine
> code subroutine. That's intended, the language is designed to be used
> that way.

Indeed.

-- 
Ian.

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stdcbench benchmark Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-04-15 10:38 +0200
  Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 02:31 -0700
  Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-15 13:42 +0100
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        Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-15 19:30 +0100
          Re: stdcbench benchmark Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-04-15 18:52 +0000
        Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 20:15 -0700
  Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-15 20:42 +0100
    Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-15 22:31 +0200
      Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-15 23:29 +0100
        Re: stdcbench benchmark Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-04-16 07:48 +0200
          Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 23:22 -0700
          Re: stdcbench benchmark Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-04-16 11:52 +0200
        Re: stdcbench benchmark Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-04-16 09:56 +0200
          Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 01:58 -0700
        Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-16 10:08 +0200
          Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-16 11:37 +0100
            Re: stdcbench benchmark Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 22:42 +1200
            Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-16 12:54 +0200
              Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-16 13:02 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-16 14:39 +0200
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                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-16 16:32 +0200
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                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-16 15:56 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-16 17:21 +0200
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                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-17 09:35 +0200
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                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-17 23:00 +0200
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                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-18 09:27 +0200
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                Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 03:43 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 22:58 +1200
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                Re: stdcbench benchmark Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 06:52 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-18 13:59 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 06:14 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-19 07:39 +1200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 06:14 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-18 16:31 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 08:00 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-18 17:26 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 08:37 -0700
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                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 04:01 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-18 13:01 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 04:15 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-18 13:41 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 05:35 -0700
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                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 06:44 -0700
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                Re: stdcbench benchmark Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-17 08:04 +1200
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                Re: stdcbench benchmark Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-04-20 14:22 -0700
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              Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 07:00 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-16 16:35 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 09:28 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-16 17:42 +0000
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                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 02:50 -0700
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                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 06:09 -0700
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                Re: stdcbench benchmark bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-04-17 15:26 +0100
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 07:42 -0700
                Re: stdcbench benchmark David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-04-17 16:51 +0200
                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 08:07 -0700
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                Re: stdcbench benchmark Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 05:52 -0700
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