Re: Some kind of contextual modulo operator?

From	Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: Some kind of contextual modulo operator?
Date	2017-12-04 12:10 +1300
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On 12/04/2017 12:00 PM, bartc wrote:
> On 03/12/2017 21:38, Ian Collins wrote:
>> On 12/04/2017 01:28 AM, bartc wrote:
> 
>>> (My own C compiler can't be used for that because it doesn't, for
>>> example, have a complete windows.h. Imagine that, even converting an
>>> interface specified in C, into an interface specified in C, is a
>>> nightmare using C! In what other language is that possible?)
>>
>> No compiler has a windows.h, windows does.
> 
> That's not correct. Every Window C compiler I've used, has its own
> version of windows.h (the latter ranging between 3 and 160 separate
> include files depending on the compiler).
> 
> windows.h (and sub-headers) generally is not portable across compilers
> that I have seen, because it likes to use implementation-specific features.

If that is true, it is truly horrible!

> There is no /include path on Windows.
> 
>     The reset of the above is
>> just nonsense.  If for example your other language just needs the size
>> and modification time of a file, crate a struct with two members laid
>> out how you want it, write a wrapper for stat() an populate your struct.
>>    Trivial.
> 
> This is one approach I've looked at a few times, but it is a last
> resort. I don't want to /have/ to code in C (for this purpose, it needs
> to be native C so that I can just use windows.h; I can't use my
> language). And I don't want an extra dependency on a C compiler for my
> source code.

I guess that's a difference between Windows and Unix.  If you don't want 
to depend on a C compiler, ship a library.

>>> Using pack(1) does not mean fields are misaligned. It means that no
>>> padding is added between fields.
>>
>> Which means a uint32_t following a uint8_t will be misaligned!
> 
> Obviously, the fields are laid out so that they're not!

Ah, another moving goal post!

>> As you
>> love Windows,
> 
> I just hate it less than Unix.

Is there any aspect of programming you don't hate?  You do appear to be 
in the wrong job.

>>> Without a C compiler - forget it.
>>
>> I think you have just remade my point: use your tools.
> 
> And I think you've remade mine: it not sufficient to interface to a C
> library using only the API docs and not involving C headers or C
> compilers or in-depth C knowledge.

Knowledge is a tool..

-- 
Ian.

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