Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?
Date	2017-03-01 19:20 +0000
Organization	People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
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On 2017-03-01, Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 11:00:25 -0500, nospam wrote
> (in article <010320171100258438%nospam@nospam.invalid>):
>
>> In article <0001HW.D4DC04D7010C6BB7B02919BF@news.astraweb.com>, Nelson
>> <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>> Hmm.  I'm using Snow Leopard and Time Machine so that's a "No"?
>>>>> 
>>>>> why are you still using snow leopard???
>>> 
>>> Why are you not?
>> 
>> because it's very old
>
> So am I :)  Old is not a reason to upgrade per se.

The lack of updates is definitely a reason to upgrade - especially if
you are concerned with security (everyone should be). And we all know
how crappy the web browsing experience is on such ancient operating
systems. Sure, you can run an old version of Firefox, but even that has
dropped support for 10.6:

<https://support.mozilla.org/t5/Install-and-Update/Firefox-support-has-ended-for-Mac-OS-X-10-6-10-7-and-10-8/ta-p/32725>

Web browsing is what very often forces people to finally upgrade their
operating system; but security updates are way more important.

>> no longer supported
>
> Heh.  Like the current version is?

So the current version of macOS is no longer supported? Something tells
me you are *very* confused or maybe just trolling.

>> you do lose rosetta, but that's about it. however, any app that
>> hasn't been updated to run on intel is abandonware and is not getting
>> bug fixes or security.
>
> Every bug they fix, they introduce two more.

Apple's internal metrics show bug counts have steadily *decreased* over
time.

> And besides the OS upgrade introduces a host of new bugs because of
> the change in the OS itself.  Rather the bugs I know than the ones I
> don't :)

Buggy old software won't keep working with newer operating systems
without also updating said buggy old software. And that's been the case
long before Snow Leopard, too. Nothing new here. : )

>>> I know that all these things are do-able and that there are ways
>>> around the problems.  But what do I gain?  A crappy interface, a
>>> locked-down computer that can only install apps via the App Store,
>> 
>> nonsense. there is no lockdown. you can install apps from anywhere
>> you want without issue.
>
> https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/macos-sierra-tidbits-apple-file-
> system-raid-support-and-more.1977440/page-5

From that thread:

"If you want to "proceed anyway" -- you right click or option click the
file and open it -- instead of entirely disabling gatekeeper."

Very simple. Right-click the app, choose Open. DONE. Meanwhile enjoy the
additional protection you get from the feature. Apple isn't preventing
you from doing whatever you want with your computer.

>>> Applescript riddled with bugs, Big Brother Apple constantly
>>> communicating with my computer and trying to force me to use their
>>> "cloud" so that I can connect to all the "Social Networks" that I
>>> abhor?
>> 
>> nobody is forcing anything.
>
> If you already have one, you probably don't realize how many times
> someone who doesn't gets prompted to create one.

I have many machines running the latest operating system that do not
have iCloud or social media configured on them. There are no constant
prompts as you suggest. You're making stuff up.

> If you turn on Little Snitch, you are deluged with constant requests
> to connect to the Apple Mothership.

Nope. I use Little Snitch, and the only connections made are associated
with specific features that are enabled. Apple's not spying on anyone.

> All the default behaviors assume you want to be part of the Appleverse
> and it takes a lot of effort to opt out.

No. That's a flat-out lie. iCloud, social media, etc are all OPT-IN.

>>> Synching between all the iToys that I don't own?  
>> 
>> how would it sync to something you don't own?
>
> It wouldn't.  The point is that's a function I don't need and hence
> will not be upgrading to get.

Yes, you're using an optional opt-in feature that you won't use to
justify not upgrading yet you are ignoring all of the other stuff you
get and would use, including very important security features and bug
fixes. If that's what you mean to do, fine - it is what it is.

>>> A bunch of new bugs which will probably never be addressed because
>>> Cook has lost interest in the Mac?
>> 
>> tim cook has not lost interest in the mac. more bullshit.
>  
>> apple is actively working on mac os and mac hardware, and unlike snow
>> leopard, sierra is getting bug fixes and security fixes.
>
> More bullshit.

Just because you say so? NO SALE:

<http://www.computerworld.com/article/3175658/apple-mac/macs-do-more-than-ipads-says-apples-tim-cook.html>

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JR

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                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 21:13 -0500
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                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 00:42 -0500
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                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:24 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 17:31 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:49 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 19:54 +0000
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                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 01:11 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 00:56 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 14:06 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 16:20 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 12:30 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 18:20 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 13:33 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 13:58 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-02 19:18 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-03 08:03 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 13:27 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 18:23 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-03 18:29 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 13:04 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-02 15:50 +1100
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-03-01 21:00 -0800
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 21:47 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-02 20:00 +1100
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 00:38 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 21:47 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 13:19 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 20:39 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 15:22 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 22:08 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 07:40 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-03 13:21 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 21:06 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-04 01:27 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 04:28 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 23:29 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 19:06 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 14:26 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 16:54 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
            Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:13 -0500
              Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 01:20 +0000
        Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2017-02-28 11:19 -0700
    Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-02-28 10:08 -0500
      Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 13:02 -0500
        Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2017-02-28 11:21 -0700
          Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 14:06 -0500
  Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-02-28 10:40 +0000
  Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 09:24 -0500
  Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-28 15:51 +0000
    Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 05:00 -0500
      Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 18:36 +0000
  Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-02-28 18:51 -0500
    Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-02-28 17:24 -0800
      Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 05:02 -0500
        Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 18:36 +0000
      Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-01 07:52 -0500
        Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 11:00 -0500
  Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2017-02-28 19:31 -0500

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