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Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?

From nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?
Date 2017-03-02 13:58 -0500
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In article <0001HW.D4DDC90001766488B01029BF@news.astraweb.com>, Nelson
<nelson@nowhere.com> wrote:

> >>> Show me soft keys that can do biometric
> >>> authentication in arguably the most secure and privacy-preserving manner
> >>> on any consumer-grade device. You can't because there is no other as
> >>> secure that protects your biometric data the way Apple does. You're
> >>> trolling.
> >> 
> >> You surely cannot be claiming that the raison d'être of the touch bar 
> >> is preserving biometric data.
> > 
> > The truth is the Touch Bar has multiple "reasons for being" (functions),
> > one of the major ones being secure and private biometric authentication.
> > It includes a secure fingerprint sensor and a significant portion of the
> > custom SoC is *dedicated* to just that. I realize it would be convenient
> > for you to ignore this functionality as if it holds no value, along with
> > the rest of the functionality that sets it apart from typical "glorified
> > soft keys"; but that's not the reality of the situation. I don't expect
> > you to like or fawn over the Touch Bar; but you could at least try not
> > to spread lies and misinformation about it to justify your position that
> > it has little value beyond "glorified soft keys". We should strive for
> > the truth, always.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Here is the verbatim description of the Touch Bar from Apple.com:
> 
> "The Touch Bar replaces the function keys that have long occupied the 
> top of your keyboard with something much more versatile and capable. It 
> changes automatically based on what you¹re doing to show you relevant 
> tools you already know how to use ‹ system controls like volume and 
> brightness, interactive ways to adjust or browse through content, 
> intelligent typing features like emoji and predictive text, and more."
> 
> It then adds:
> 
> "And for the first time, Touch ID is available on a Mac, enabling 
> instant access to logins and fast, secure online purchases with Apple 
> Pay."

that's a marketing description, not a technical one.

> By the priority and emphasis given, a reasonable person might conclude 
> that the primary function of the Touch Bar is, well, soft keys.

some might think that, but they'd be wrong.

soft keys is but one function, and it's nothing at all like the soft
keys you have seen before. 

> That same person might also conclude that because of the technology 
> used to implement the soft keys, Apple was able to shoe-horn in a 
> finger print reader on to the touch bar.  Again, fingerprint readers 
> are an old idea and have been available for decades.  One might ask why 
> it took Apple so long to get on the band wagon rather than breathlessly 
> marvel that they did.

because previous versions were mostly garbage.

they required swiping the finger, which didn't always read properly,
could be easily spoofed and were slow as hell, taking nearly one minute
to authenticate (no joke).

the touch id sensor on the macbooks are the 2nd gen sensors that have
been on the iphones for the past 2 years, which are so fast that some
people actually complained they were *too* fast. seriously.

> Nor is Apple Pay some magical property of the Touch Bar.  It would be 
> enabled by any fingerprint reader.  Had Apple implemented an iris 
> scanner, that might be innovative.  But a fingerprint reader?  Hardly.

absolutely false. apple pay requires a touchid sensor+secure enclave.

a generic fingerprint reader would not work.

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What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-02-28 04:26 -0500
  Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 04:31 -0500
  Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2017-02-28 03:24 -0700
  Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2017-02-28 04:29 -0600
    Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2017-02-28 10:37 +0000
      Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 05:39 -0500
    Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2017-02-28 05:36 -0700
      Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-02-28 10:10 -0500
        Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 13:02 -0500
          Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-28 20:01 +0000
            Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 04:55 -0500
              Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2017-03-01 13:55 +0100
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 09:15 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2017-03-01 15:05 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 11:00 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 13:29 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 13:38 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 18:31 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-01 18:58 +0000
              Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 11:00 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-01 16:56 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 13:54 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 13:53 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-01 19:14 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:30 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 19:30 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-01 21:38 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 12:49 +1300
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 19:28 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 13:45 +1300
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 00:42 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 18:50 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 14:08 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 14:26 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 14:46 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 14:58 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 19:26 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 01:25 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 13:52 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 00:30 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 18:38 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 19:20 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:02 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-02 20:42 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 20:46 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:30 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:05 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 17:08 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:48 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 01:11 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 21:13 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 03:49 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 08:24 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 14:11 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 16:10 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 11:47 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 17:16 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 13:05 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 13:54 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 13:58 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 14:23 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 13:58 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 20:50 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 12:30 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 13:27 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 13:58 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 19:53 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 12:30 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 18:23 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 13:58 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2017-03-03 04:44 -0800
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 20:48 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 00:42 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 14:09 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 00:57 +0000
              Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 16:03 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-01 16:57 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 14:04 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 15:52 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-02 08:17 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 14:02 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:30 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:24 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 17:31 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:49 -0500
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 19:54 +0000
                Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 01:04 +0000
              Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-01 18:57 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:24 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-01 14:46 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 01:09 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 01:33 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 14:01 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 16:19 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2017-03-03 04:46 -0800
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 15:02 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-03 17:15 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 21:47 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 18:33 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 20:17 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 20:27 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 16:56 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 22:08 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 20:30 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 03:08 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-03 04:10 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-03 17:03 +1100
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 16:03 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 07:36 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 07:35 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 14:55 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 00:36 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 16:46 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 22:08 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 23:52 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 13:13 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 00:45 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 19:43 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-01 15:01 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 15:02 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 20:41 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 01:07 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 00:48 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 00:50 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-02 19:55 +1100
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 13:59 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 16:18 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 18:17 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 13:36 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 20:43 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 16:58 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 22:08 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 00:35 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:41 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-01 22:51 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 18:25 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-01 23:43 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 01:00 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 18:20 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 19:57 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 18:48 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 01:07 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 01:11 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 00:56 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 14:06 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 16:20 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 12:30 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 18:20 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 13:33 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 13:58 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-02 19:18 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-03 08:03 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 13:27 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 18:23 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-03 18:29 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 13:04 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-02 15:50 +1100
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-03-01 21:00 -0800
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 21:47 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-02 20:00 +1100
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 00:38 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 21:47 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 13:19 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 20:39 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 15:22 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 22:08 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 07:40 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-03 13:21 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 21:06 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-04 01:27 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 04:28 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 23:29 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 19:06 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 14:26 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 16:54 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
            Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:13 -0500
              Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 01:20 +0000
        Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2017-02-28 11:19 -0700
    Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-02-28 10:08 -0500
      Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 13:02 -0500
        Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2017-02-28 11:21 -0700
          Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 14:06 -0500
  Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-02-28 10:40 +0000
  Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 09:24 -0500
  Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-28 15:51 +0000
    Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 05:00 -0500
      Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 18:36 +0000
  Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-02-28 18:51 -0500
    Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-02-28 17:24 -0800
      Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 05:02 -0500
        Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 18:36 +0000
      Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-01 07:52 -0500
        Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 11:00 -0500
  Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2017-02-28 19:31 -0500

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