Re: I give in

From	Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Newsgroups	aus.electronics
Subject	Re: I give in
Date	2017-02-14 06:49 +1100
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On 13/02/2017 8:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 13/02/2017 5:48 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 13/02/2017 1:52 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/02/2017 5:24 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2017 4:14 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ~misfit~ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Once upon a time on usenet Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/02/2017 2:47 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/02/2017 1:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was not the greens that sold the power off but it is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> green
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inclined existing government that is running  the existing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> renewable dependent power grid now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SA needs to install some diesel generator plant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ** No they don't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They may need to build a couple of natural gas plants - the
>>>>>>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>>>>> that use turbines and not simply boil water. Thermal
>>>>>>>>>>>> efficiencies of
>>>>>>>>>>>> 60%
>>>>>>>>>>>> are possible with 500MW turbines.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's entirely a matter of the period during which they're
>>>>>>>>>>> expected to
>>>>>>>>>>> run. You don't build expensive plant that runs only hours per
>>>>>>>>>>> year,
>>>>>>>>>>> just to save on fuel. You build cheap plant, even though it uses
>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>> fuel, because you come out ahead economically.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> While the planet slowly dies... Oh well perhaps they can buy a
>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> the money saved?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> WTF is this shite doing in aus.electronics anyway?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mainly because there is no purely electrical news group so people
>>>>>>>>> tend
>>>>>>>>> to lump anything electric into one group which is a better idea
>>>>>>>>> anyway
>>>>>>>>> Electricity is electricity no matter how it is used
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Bullshit. Like most of your posts, it was just another thinly
>>>>>>>> disguised attacks on those who accept the reality of global warming
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> that humans must address the release of CO2 in order to deal with
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>> You are just another idiot denier and your posts are just
>>>>>>>> political,
>>>>>>>> rather than technical.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I cite as proof, your constant and completely erroneous claims that
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Greens caused the problems in South Australia. You are, of course
>>>>>>>> and as
>>>>>>>> usual, wrong. The electricity assets sold off by the state LIBERAL
>>>>>>>> government caused the problems faced by SA today. A fact you
>>>>>>>> refuse to
>>>>>>>> accept.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here you go off on a tangent with non electrical crap again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **You're not fooling anyone, you dumb shit. YOU started the
>>>>>> thread, by
>>>>>> launching an attack on the Greens, when everyone knows it was the
>>>>>> Lieberal state government, by selling the SA electrical assets that
>>>>>> caused the problem faced by SA today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If YOU don't want off-topic thread in aus.electronics, then YOU
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> not start such threads. Moreover, get your facts straight. The Greens
>>>>>> have consistently fought various state governments to prevent the
>>>>>> sale
>>>>>> of vital electrical assets to private companies. Private companies
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> profit-focused. They're not particularly interested in how much
>>>>>> inconvenience is caused to consumers, provided their bottom line is
>>>>>> either enhanced or not negatively affected. Governments, OTOH, are
>>>>>> always consumer (voter) focused. By selling vital infrastructure to
>>>>>> private concerns, Lieberal and Labor governments can claim: "It ain't
>>>>>> our fault." It is, of course, since the stuff should never have been
>>>>>> sold in the first place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which brings us back to the only major political party that fought
>>>>>> against the sale of electrical assets - The Greens. The guys you hate
>>>>>> with such venom and irrationality, are the very party that actually
>>>>>> stand for the people. IE: You and me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fuck me, you are dumber than dog-shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep arguing with me, if if you like. I'll bury you with facts.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Facts that wander off into past problems instead of the problem
>>>>> that SA
>>>>> has the most expensive and at the moment most unreliable power supply
>>>>> which is under the governments control
>>>>
>>>> **Again: The power generation is partly under private control. THAT is
>>>> the problem and it was set-up by the state Lieberal government that
>>>> privatised parts of the network.
>>>
>>> it should be under the control of the government and if it is not
>>> working, regardless of who caused it the government in power could  and
>>> should  fix it.
>>
>> **And just how will the government do that? Take as much space as you
>> require to explain the legal implications of the government breaching a
>> contract with the private operator. How much will such a thing cost the
>> taxpayer?
>
> They should just sit back and do nothing and know they will never be
> blamed by Trevor because they did not do it

**Ok, dickbrain, once more:

* How will the government take back control of the gas-fired power plant?
* What are the legal and financial ramifications of violating the 
contract that the Lieberal government established with the owner of the 
plant?
* How much will the SA taxpayer have to stump up?

Answer the fucking questions, you boob.

>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> Or should we just leave it, sit back,do nothing and like you just say
>>> the libs caused it.
>>
>> **_I_ don't "say" the Lieberals sold off the assets. They DID sell off
>> the assets. Fuck me. You will never admit it, will you?

**_I_ don't "say" the Lieberals sold off the assets. They DID sell off 
the assets. Fuck me. You will never admit it, will you?

>>
>>>
>>> As far as I am concerned the ruling government has the responsibility to
>>> be seen fixing it, not just sit back and blame everyone else and do
>>> nothing.
>>
>> **Why do you think they are doing nothing?

**Why do you think they are doing nothing?

>>
>>> They may yet do something and we can all start on the next worse
>>>
>>> There are companies that were going broke, moved to Victoria because of
>>> costs and are now in a worse state because of power costs.
>>
>> **Name those companies.

**Name those companies.

>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Again: The Greens tried to stop the privatisation.
>>>>
>>>> Clear?
>>
>> **Clear? Do you acknowledge that the Greens tried to stop privatisation
>> of electricity assets across the nation?

**Clear? Do you acknowledge that the Greens tried to stop privatisation 
of electricity assets across the nation?


-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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I give in F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-11 13:36 +1100
  Re: I give in Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-11 14:08 +1100
    Re: I give in Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 19:47 -0800
      Re: I give in Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-11 15:13 +1100
        Re: I give in "~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 12:15 +1300
          Re: I give in F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 16:14 +1100
            Re: I give in Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-12 16:25 +1100
              Re: I give in F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 17:24 +1100
                Re: I give in Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-13 08:26 +1100
                Re: I give in F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-13 13:52 +1100
                Re: I give in Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-13 15:50 +1100
                Re: I give in F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-13 17:48 +1100
                Re: I give in Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-13 17:52 +1100
                Re: I give in F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-13 20:36 +1100
                Re: I give in Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-14 06:49 +1100
                Re: I give in F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-14 11:51 +1100
                Re: I give in Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-14 11:57 +1100
                Re: I give in F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-14 20:30 +1100
                Re: I give in Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-15 06:34 +1100
                Re: I give in F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-15 12:38 +1100
            Re: I give in "~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 00:47 +1300
    Re: I give in Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-11 14:58 +1100
      Re: I give in Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-11 15:15 +1100
        Re: I give in Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 20:28 -0800
  Re: I give in Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-11 14:56 +1100

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