Re: I give in

From	Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Newsgroups	aus.electronics
Subject	Re: I give in
Date	2017-02-15 06:34 +1100
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On 14/02/2017 8:30 PM, F Murtz wrote:
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 14/02/2017 11:51 AM, F Murtz wrote:
>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 13/02/2017 8:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 13/02/2017 5:48 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2017 1:52 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2017 5:24 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2017 4:14 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~misfit~ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once upon a time on usenet Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/02/2017 2:47 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/02/2017 1:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was not the greens that sold the power off but it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> green
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inclined existing government that is running  the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> renewable dependent power grid now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SA needs to install some diesel generator plant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ** No they don't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They may need to build a couple of natural gas plants - the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that use turbines and not simply boil water. Thermal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> efficiencies of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 60%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are possible with 500MW turbines.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's entirely a matter of the period during which they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expected to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run. You don't build expensive plant that runs only hours
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> per
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just to save on fuel. You build cheap plant, even though it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel, because you come out ahead economically.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While the planet slowly dies... Oh well perhaps they can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the money saved?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WTF is this shite doing in aus.electronics anyway?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mainly because there is no purely electrical news group so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tend
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to lump anything electric into one group which is a better
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Electricity is electricity no matter how it is used
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **Bullshit. Like most of your posts, it was just another thinly
>>>>>>>>>>>> disguised attacks on those who accept the reality of global
>>>>>>>>>>>> warming
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> that humans must address the release of CO2 in order to deal
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You are just another idiot denier and your posts are just
>>>>>>>>>>>> political,
>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than technical.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I cite as proof, your constant and completely erroneous claims
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Greens caused the problems in South Australia. You are, of
>>>>>>>>>>>> course
>>>>>>>>>>>> and as
>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, wrong. The electricity assets sold off by the state
>>>>>>>>>>>> LIBERAL
>>>>>>>>>>>> government caused the problems faced by SA today. A fact you
>>>>>>>>>>>> refuse to
>>>>>>>>>>>> accept.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here you go off on a tangent with non electrical crap again.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **You're not fooling anyone, you dumb shit. YOU started the
>>>>>>>>>> thread, by
>>>>>>>>>> launching an attack on the Greens, when everyone knows it was the
>>>>>>>>>> Lieberal state government, by selling the SA electrical assets
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> caused the problem faced by SA today.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If YOU don't want off-topic thread in aus.electronics, then YOU
>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>> not start such threads. Moreover, get your facts straight. The
>>>>>>>>>> Greens
>>>>>>>>>> have consistently fought various state governments to prevent the
>>>>>>>>>> sale
>>>>>>>>>> of vital electrical assets to private companies. Private
>>>>>>>>>> companies
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> profit-focused. They're not particularly interested in how much
>>>>>>>>>> inconvenience is caused to consumers, provided their bottom
>>>>>>>>>> line is
>>>>>>>>>> either enhanced or not negatively affected. Governments, OTOH,
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> always consumer (voter) focused. By selling vital
>>>>>>>>>> infrastructure to
>>>>>>>>>> private concerns, Lieberal and Labor governments can claim: "It
>>>>>>>>>> ain't
>>>>>>>>>> our fault." It is, of course, since the stuff should never have
>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>> sold in the first place.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which brings us back to the only major political party that
>>>>>>>>>> fought
>>>>>>>>>> against the sale of electrical assets - The Greens. The guys you
>>>>>>>>>> hate
>>>>>>>>>> with such venom and irrationality, are the very party that
>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>> stand for the people. IE: You and me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fuck me, you are dumber than dog-shit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Keep arguing with me, if if you like. I'll bury you with facts.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Facts that wander off into past problems instead of the problem
>>>>>>>>> that SA
>>>>>>>>> has the most expensive and at the moment most unreliable power
>>>>>>>>> supply
>>>>>>>>> which is under the governments control
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Again: The power generation is partly under private control.
>>>>>>>> THAT is
>>>>>>>> the problem and it was set-up by the state Lieberal government that
>>>>>>>> privatised parts of the network.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it should be under the control of the government and if it is not
>>>>>>> working, regardless of who caused it the government in power could
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> should  fix it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **And just how will the government do that? Take as much space as you
>>>>>> require to explain the legal implications of the government
>>>>>> breaching a
>>>>>> contract with the private operator. How much will such a thing cost
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> taxpayer?
>>>>>
>>>>> They should just sit back and do nothing and know they will never be
>>>>> blamed by Trevor because they did not do it
>>>>
>>>> **Ok, dickbrain, once more:
>>>>
>>>> * How will the government take back control of the gas-fired power
>>>> plant?
>>>> * What are the legal and financial ramifications of violating the
>>>> contract that the Lieberal government established with the owner of the
>>>> plant?
>>>> * How much will the SA taxpayer have to stump up?
>>>>
>>>> Answer the fucking questions, you boob.
>>>
>>> Why should I answer questions deliberately designed to give more ammo to
>>> your crusade and add reams of your crap in rebuttal.
>>
>> **Because, you clown, you just demanded that the government breach it's
>> contract with the private operator. Presumably, you know what the
>> ramifications of that violation will involve. If you don't, then you
>> need to find out, before your shoot your stupid, fucking mouth off.

**Answer the questions.

>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or should we just leave it, sit back,do nothing and like you just
>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>> the libs caused it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **_I_ don't "say" the Lieberals sold off the assets. They DID sell
>>>>>> off
>>>>>> the assets. Fuck me. You will never admit it, will you?
>>>>
>>>> **_I_ don't "say" the Lieberals sold off the assets. They DID sell off
>>>> the assets. Fuck me. You will never admit it, will you?
>>
>> **_I_ don't "say" the Lieberals sold off the assets. They DID sell off
>> the assets. Fuck me. You will never admit it, will you?
>
> I have never said the liberals did not sell off the assets, you are the
> one trying to get me to say it to give you room on the soapbox for more
> ranting and name calling

**You have NEVER acknowledged that the Lieberals started the problems in 
SA. Instead, you blame the Greens! Fuck me, when will you stop lying? 
The Greens fought against the sale of electricity assets. A fact you 
NEVER acknowledge. Instead, you just keep on blaming the Greens for 
something they didn't do and, in fact, they tried to stop it!

WTF is wrong with you?

>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as I am concerned the ruling government has the
>>>>>>> responsibility to
>>>>>>> be seen fixing it, not just sit back and blame everyone else and do
>>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Why do you think they are doing nothing?
>>>>
>>>> **Why do you think they are doing nothing?
>>
>> **Why do you think they are doing nothing?

**Why do you think they are doing nothing?


>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They may yet do something and we can all start on the next worse
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are companies that were going broke, moved to Victoria
>>>>>>> because of
>>>>>>> costs and are now in a worse state because of power costs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Name those companies.
>>>>
>>>> **Name those companies.
>>
>> **Name those companies.

**Name those companies.

>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again: The Greens tried to stop the privatisation.
>
> I have Never said they did not, you are the one trying to get me to say
> it to give you more room on the soapbox for ranting and name calling

**You BLAMED the Greens for the problems that they not only never 
created, but tried to stop! Fuck me, when will you stop lying?

>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Clear?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Clear? Do you acknowledge that the Greens tried to stop
>>>>>> privatisation
>>>>>> of electricity assets across the nation?
>>>>
>>>> **Clear? Do you acknowledge that the Greens tried to stop privatisation
>>>> of electricity assets across the nation?
>>
>>   **Clear? Do you acknowledge that the Greens tried to stop
>> privatisation of electricity assets across the nation?
>
> I have Never said they did not, you are the one trying to get me to say
> it to give you more room on the soapbox for ranting and name calling

**You have consistently riled against the Greens. It was the Greens that 
tried to stop the mess that SA (and most other states) now find 
themselves in. Consumers are held hostage by power companies. The Greens 
tried to stop electricity assets from being sold.

When will you admit that the Greens are the good guys here?


-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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I give in F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-11 13:36 +1100
  Re: I give in Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-11 14:08 +1100
    Re: I give in Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 19:47 -0800
      Re: I give in Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-11 15:13 +1100
        Re: I give in "~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 12:15 +1300
          Re: I give in F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 16:14 +1100
            Re: I give in Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-12 16:25 +1100
              Re: I give in F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 17:24 +1100
                Re: I give in Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-13 08:26 +1100
                Re: I give in F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-13 13:52 +1100
                Re: I give in Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-13 15:50 +1100
                Re: I give in F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-13 17:48 +1100
                Re: I give in Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-13 17:52 +1100
                Re: I give in F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-13 20:36 +1100
                Re: I give in Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-14 06:49 +1100
                Re: I give in F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-14 11:51 +1100
                Re: I give in Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-14 11:57 +1100
                Re: I give in F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-14 20:30 +1100
                Re: I give in Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-15 06:34 +1100
                Re: I give in F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-15 12:38 +1100
            Re: I give in "~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 00:47 +1300
    Re: I give in Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-11 14:58 +1100
      Re: I give in Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-11 15:15 +1100
        Re: I give in Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 20:28 -0800
  Re: I give in Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-11 14:56 +1100

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