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Re: SA Greenies

From felix <me@nothere.invalid>
Newsgroups aus.electronics, aus.politics
Subject Re: SA Greenies
Date 2017-02-13 15:06 +1100
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On Saturday, 11 Feb 2017 4:45 PM, Fran Snortilus wrote:
> On 11/02/2017 11:58 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 10/02/2017 10:06 PM, Fran Snortilus wrote:
>>> On 10/02/2017 5:26 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>> Fran Snortilus wrote:
>>>>> On 10/02/2017 12:42 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/02/2017 9:52 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>>>>> This SA green power supply works well does not it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not helping us in NSW, with the AEMO warning of rolling 
>>>>>> blackouts
>>>>>> later today as people return home from work and turn on air
>>>>>> conditioners
>>>>>> just as the solar panel output is dropping because the sun is going
>>>>>> down.
>>>>>
>>>>> And that is part of the problem.  People who can't cope without 
>>>>> air con
>>>>> and  other than
>>>>> reliance on such a fragile thing.
>>>>
>>>> Let us go back to the old days where the old and infirm died because
>>>> they don't have any other strategy for coping with heat
>>>
>>> READ the thread!  People coming home from work and turning on their air
>>> con WILL NOT BE THE OLD OR THE INFIRM you twit!
>>>
>>> The old and infirm are the only ones who should be allowed to turn on
>>> their aircon in the current situation.
>>>
>>
>> The only reason we have a problem is that people run air-conditioners.

why shouldn't ppl be able to run air conditioners? it's up to government 
to provide as much electricity at affordable cost as the community needs

>
> Yep.  Alhthough possibly not the ONLY reason but certainly hugely 
> exacerbated by running air con.
>
>> If only the old and infirm ran them then we'd have plenty of generation
>> capacity.
>
> Yep.

and if they all died we would have far less health care cost. stupid 
argument

>
>>
>> Except that if that were the practice in the past, the generation
>> capacity to cope wouldn't have been built, and we'd simply have the same
>> problem but with less comfort.
>
> You've got that arse about.  If using air con had been the practice in 
> the past, we'd have built the capacity and we wouldn't have the 
> current problem as we'd have built the capacity way back then when we 
> were turning on air con.
>>
>> There's no reason we, as consumers, should have to manage with less
>> power than we want to consume.
>
> Say how precious we are and it's our right to have access to air con, 
> won't work.  Most of our States have sold most of it off and private 
> enterprise is a law unto itself and even with supposed guarantees of 
> service levels extracted before sale, it's amazing how many and varied 
> are the excuses to be found after sale.  The best we can probably do 
> is to buy shares in the power companies.

the reason governments have to sell assets is because stupid voters keep 
voting in Labor governments who run up massive debt

>
> It is the responsibility of the
>> government to ensure that enough capacity exists, either by adjusting
>> the market parameters to encourage the construction of sufficient
>> capacity, or, as a last resort, constructing that capacity themselves.
>
> Except that to do that from scratch is the very reason given for why 
> the infrastructure was sold in the first place (old and too expensive 
> to replace/upgrade).  States do not have that sort of money any more.
>
>> The alternative is that those who can afford to do so will install
>> backup power systems, and those who cannot will suffer outages. That's
>> hardly an equitable result.
>
> No, but you are right in saying that is what will most likely happen.
>>
>> I'm a bit sceptical as to whether the market can really handle this on
>> its own, because having enough capacity for the extreme events implies
>> having capacity that's very rarely used. People build generators to earn
>> a profit, and it's hard to determine whether a profit can be made when
>> the requirement for the capacity is so rare.
>
> Yep.
>
>> It maybe that the only way is for the government to build generators
>> that it guarantees will sit idle except for the occasions when the spot
>> electricity price reaches its maximum allowed value (currently $14 per
>> kWh) and there is still insufficient capacity. The cost of that would,
>> of course, ultimately have to be born by consumers.
>
> And tax payers. IMO, not gunna happen in my lifetime.  The good old 
> days of government thinking it was there to provide services is now gone.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-19 11:49 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-19 09:58 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 11:20 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-19 11:23 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 14:16 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 10:39 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-20 13:16 +1100
                Re: Cats Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-20 02:21 +0000
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-20 14:28 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 14:26 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-20 17:15 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-19 12:03 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-19 12:06 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-19 12:38 +1100
                Re: Cats Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-19 10:03 +0000
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 08:15 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-20 17:45 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:26 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-19 14:32 +1000
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 15:57 +1100
                Re: Cats Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-19 10:04 +0000
                Re: Cats Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-19 18:46 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 08:16 +1100
                Re: Cats Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-20 10:37 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 10:42 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 08:23 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-20 09:18 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 09:48 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-20 16:25 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-20 17:08 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-20 16:21 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-21 10:31 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 12:37 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-21 18:04 +1100
                Re: Cats Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-20 16:12 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-21 10:10 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 10:33 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-21 11:15 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:44 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 07:42 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 00:54 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 10:21 +1100
                Re: Cats Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-23 09:53 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-18 21:17 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-18 15:10 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-19 10:20 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-19 12:06 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 09:27 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-20 11:28 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 11:29 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-20 19:43 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-20 19:53 +1100
                Re: Cats Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-20 20:26 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-20 20:42 +1100
                Re: Cats Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-23 09:56 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-20 23:59 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-21 00:39 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:50 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 01:46 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 10:30 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:52 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-21 18:07 +1100
                Re: Cats Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-23 04:10 +0000
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-23 16:26 +1100
                Re: Cats Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-25 10:41 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 16:06 +1100
                Re: Cats Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-25 21:36 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 08:57 +1100
                Re: Cats Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-26 18:01 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-21 10:41 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:50 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 10:52 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 11:33 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 00:58 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 07:31 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-22 09:29 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 10:26 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 11:44 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 10:55 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 11:45 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 13:07 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 13:39 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 14:55 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 15:19 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 17:34 +1100
                Re: Cats Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-22 17:47 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 18:04 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 18:56 +1100
                Re: Cats Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-22 21:54 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 18:55 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 14:17 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 14:32 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 15:00 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-23 00:19 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-23 00:29 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-23 00:14 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-23 00:30 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-27 15:43 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-27 16:23 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-27 16:35 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-27 16:36 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:38 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-01 15:49 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-03-01 16:11 +1000
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-02 00:05 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-03-01 23:06 +1000
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-02 00:16 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-03-02 08:13 +1000
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-02 12:49 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 14:26 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-03 08:15 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-03 10:48 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-03 11:16 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-03-03 10:35 +1000
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-03 14:52 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-03-02 14:22 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-27 18:03 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-27 18:12 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-28 09:46 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 09:57 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:40 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-28 09:56 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:39 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-27 16:38 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-27 17:28 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-27 18:06 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-27 18:52 +1000
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-28 06:14 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-28 17:43 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 10:25 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 10:52 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 11:47 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 10:46 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-23 00:23 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 10:19 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 10:57 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:46 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-21 12:14 +1000
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 18:10 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 01:00 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 07:33 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:45 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-17 09:28 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-18 09:46 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-18 15:08 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-18 21:30 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-18 15:18 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-16 13:24 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-12 10:20 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-12 11:22 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 16:07 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-13 10:54 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ördög <devil@hell.net> - 2017-02-13 00:34 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-13 14:45 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-13 15:28 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-13 15:36 +1000
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-13 15:52 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-15 11:05 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-15 11:19 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-15 10:37 +1000
              Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-11 07:32 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-11 07:08 +1000
                Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-11 08:13 +1100
  Re: SA Greenies Ördög <devil@hell.net> - 2017-02-09 22:17 +0000
  Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-10 10:05 +1100
    Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-10 10:36 +1100
      Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-10 14:37 +1100
    Re: SA Greenies Tony <nomail@nospam.com> - 2017-02-10 08:46 +0800
      Re: SA Greenies ellefranqq@gmail.com - 2019-03-15 19:06 -0700
        Re: SA Greenies FMurtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2019-03-16 17:21 +1100
    Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-10 12:28 +1100
    Re: SA Greenies Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-23 12:52 +1100
  Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-10 12:24 +1100
  Re: SA Greenies Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-10 12:42 +1100
    Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-10 16:00 +1100
      Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-10 17:26 +1100
        Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-10 22:06 +1100
          Re: SA Greenies Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-11 11:58 +1100
            Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 15:36 +1100
              Re: SA Greenies Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-11 18:24 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 20:15 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-11 22:44 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 10:01 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-12 08:16 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 10:03 +1100
            Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-11 16:45 +1100
              Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-13 15:06 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 17:28 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ördög <devil@hell.net> - 2017-02-13 21:07 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-15 11:14 +1100

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