Re: SA Greenies

From	Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com>
Newsgroups	aus.electronics, aus.politics
Subject	Re: SA Greenies
Date	2017-02-11 16:45 +1100
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On 11/02/2017 11:58 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 10/02/2017 10:06 PM, Fran Snortilus wrote:
>> On 10/02/2017 5:26 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>> Fran Snortilus wrote:
>>>> On 10/02/2017 12:42 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 9/02/2017 9:52 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>>>> This SA green power supply works well does not it?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not helping us in NSW, with the AEMO warning of rolling blackouts
>>>>> later today as people return home from work and turn on air
>>>>> conditioners
>>>>> just as the solar panel output is dropping because the sun is going
>>>>> down.
>>>>
>>>> And that is part of the problem.  People who can't cope without air con
>>>> and  other than
>>>> reliance on such a fragile thing.
>>>
>>> Let us go back to the old days where the old and infirm died because
>>> they don't have any other strategy for coping with heat
>>
>> READ the thread!  People coming home from work and turning on their air
>> con WILL NOT BE THE OLD OR THE INFIRM you twit!
>>
>> The old and infirm are the only ones who should be allowed to turn on
>> their aircon in the current situation.
>>
>
> The only reason we have a problem is that people run air-conditioners.

Yep.  Alhthough possibly not the ONLY reason but certainly hugely 
exacerbated by running air con.

> If only the old and infirm ran them then we'd have plenty of generation
> capacity.

Yep.
>
> Except that if that were the practice in the past, the generation
> capacity to cope wouldn't have been built, and we'd simply have the same
> problem but with less comfort.

You've got that arse about.  If using air con had been the practice in 
the past, we'd have built the capacity and we wouldn't have the current 
problem as we'd have built the capacity way back then when we were 
turning on air con.
>
> There's no reason we, as consumers, should have to manage with less
> power than we want to consume.

Say how precious we are and it's our right to have access to air con, 
won't work.  Most of our States have sold most of it off and private 
enterprise is a law unto itself and even with supposed guarantees of 
service levels extracted before sale, it's amazing how many and varied 
are the excuses to be found after sale.  The best we can probably do is 
to buy shares in the power companies.

It is the responsibility of the
> government to ensure that enough capacity exists, either by adjusting
> the market parameters to encourage the construction of sufficient
> capacity, or, as a last resort, constructing that capacity themselves.

Except that to do that from scratch is the very reason given for why the 
infrastructure was sold in the first place (old and too expensive to 
replace/upgrade).  States do not have that sort of money any more.

> The alternative is that those who can afford to do so will install
> backup power systems, and those who cannot will suffer outages. That's
> hardly an equitable result.

No, but you are right in saying that is what will most likely happen.
>
> I'm a bit sceptical as to whether the market can really handle this on
> its own, because having enough capacity for the extreme events implies
> having capacity that's very rarely used. People build generators to earn
> a profit, and it's hard to determine whether a profit can be made when
> the requirement for the capacity is so rare.

Yep.

> It maybe that the only way is for the government to build generators
> that it guarantees will sit idle except for the occasions when the spot
> electricity price reaches its maximum allowed value (currently $14 per
> kWh) and there is still insufficient capacity. The cost of that would,
> of course, ultimately have to be born by consumers.

And tax payers. IMO, not gunna happen in my lifetime.  The good old days 
of government thinking it was there to provide services is now gone.
>
> Sylvia.
>
>
>
>

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                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-20 14:28 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 14:26 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-20 17:15 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-19 12:03 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-19 12:06 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-19 12:38 +1100
                Re: Cats Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-19 10:03 +0000
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 08:15 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-20 17:45 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:26 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-19 14:32 +1000
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 15:57 +1100
                Re: Cats Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-19 10:04 +0000
                Re: Cats Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-19 18:46 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 08:16 +1100
                Re: Cats Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-20 10:37 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 10:42 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 08:23 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-20 09:18 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 09:48 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-20 16:25 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-20 17:08 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-20 16:21 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-21 10:31 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 12:37 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-21 18:04 +1100
                Re: Cats Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-20 16:12 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-21 10:10 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 10:33 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-21 11:15 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:44 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 07:42 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 00:54 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 10:21 +1100
                Re: Cats Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-23 09:53 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-18 21:17 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-18 15:10 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-19 10:20 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-19 12:06 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 09:27 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-20 11:28 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 11:29 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-20 19:43 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-20 19:53 +1100
                Re: Cats Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-20 20:26 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-20 20:42 +1100
                Re: Cats Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-23 09:56 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-20 23:59 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-21 00:39 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:50 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 01:46 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 10:30 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:52 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-21 18:07 +1100
                Re: Cats Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-23 04:10 +0000
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-23 16:26 +1100
                Re: Cats Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-25 10:41 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 16:06 +1100
                Re: Cats Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-25 21:36 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 08:57 +1100
                Re: Cats Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-26 18:01 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-21 10:41 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:50 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 10:52 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 11:33 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 00:58 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 07:31 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-22 09:29 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 10:26 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 11:44 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 10:55 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 11:45 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 13:07 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 13:39 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 14:55 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 15:19 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 17:34 +1100
                Re: Cats Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-22 17:47 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 18:04 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 18:56 +1100
                Re: Cats Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-22 21:54 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 18:55 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 14:17 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 14:32 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 15:00 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-23 00:19 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-23 00:29 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-23 00:14 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-23 00:30 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-27 15:43 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-27 16:23 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-27 16:35 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-27 16:36 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:38 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-01 15:49 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-03-01 16:11 +1000
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-02 00:05 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-03-01 23:06 +1000
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-02 00:16 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-03-02 08:13 +1000
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-02 12:49 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 14:26 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-03 08:15 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-03 10:48 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-03 11:16 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-03-03 10:35 +1000
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-03 14:52 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-03-02 14:22 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-27 18:03 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-27 18:12 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-28 09:46 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 09:57 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:40 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-28 09:56 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:39 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-27 16:38 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-27 17:28 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-27 18:06 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-27 18:52 +1000
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-28 06:14 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-28 17:43 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 10:25 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 10:52 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 11:47 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 10:46 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-23 00:23 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 10:19 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 10:57 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:46 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-21 12:14 +1000
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 18:10 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 01:00 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 07:33 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:45 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-17 09:28 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-18 09:46 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-18 15:08 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-18 21:30 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-18 15:18 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-16 13:24 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-12 10:20 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-12 11:22 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 16:07 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-13 10:54 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ördög <devil@hell.net> - 2017-02-13 00:34 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-13 14:45 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-13 15:28 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-13 15:36 +1000
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-13 15:52 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-15 11:05 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-15 11:19 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-15 10:37 +1000
              Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-11 07:32 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-11 07:08 +1000
                Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-11 08:13 +1100
  Re: SA Greenies Ördög <devil@hell.net> - 2017-02-09 22:17 +0000
  Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-10 10:05 +1100
    Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-10 10:36 +1100
      Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-10 14:37 +1100
    Re: SA Greenies Tony <nomail@nospam.com> - 2017-02-10 08:46 +0800
      Re: SA Greenies ellefranqq@gmail.com - 2019-03-15 19:06 -0700
        Re: SA Greenies FMurtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2019-03-16 17:21 +1100
    Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-10 12:28 +1100
    Re: SA Greenies Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-23 12:52 +1100
  Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-10 12:24 +1100
  Re: SA Greenies Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-10 12:42 +1100
    Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-10 16:00 +1100
      Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-10 17:26 +1100
        Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-10 22:06 +1100
          Re: SA Greenies Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-11 11:58 +1100
            Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 15:36 +1100
              Re: SA Greenies Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-11 18:24 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 20:15 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-11 22:44 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 10:01 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-12 08:16 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 10:03 +1100
            Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-11 16:45 +1100
              Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-13 15:06 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 17:28 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ördög <devil@hell.net> - 2017-02-13 21:07 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-15 11:14 +1100

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