Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported)

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.comm, uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject	Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported)
Date	2016-08-25 17:34 +0000
Organization	People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
Message-ID	<e28oggFgs93U14@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References	(6 earlier) <here-EDF411.18040224082016@news.individual.net> <npn4fk$ujo$1@dont-email.me> <here-BDF52B.18392325082016@news.individual.net> <e28mh0Fgs93U6@mid.individual.net> <here-3990F4.19202125082016@news.individual.net>

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On 2016-08-25, android <here@there.was> wrote:
> In article <e28mh0Fgs93U6@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-08-25, android <here@there.was> wrote:
>>> In article <npn4fk$ujo$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>  Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For your reference, records indicate that 
>>>> android <here@there.was> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> No confusion ahere! A Mac app starts with a clickyclick and are not 
>>>>> dependent on that some extra frameworks are installed on the side.
>>>> 
>>>> No, a Mac app is written to work well with the OS, not just some 
>>>> half-assed port.  Pan doesn’t even appear to provide anything like a 
>>>> disk image with any sort of “clicklyclick” for the Mac, and it sure as 
>>>> hell isn’t available in the App Store.  I mean, the only Mac OS X 
>>>> screenshot they provide is from the era of the pinstripe UI:
>>>> 
>>>> http://pan.rebelbase.com/screenshots/osx.png
>>>
>>> Look as expected if its run under X...
>> 
>> And the point you're desperately avoiding is: It ain't a Mac app by most
>> relevant standards.
>
> Never said that it was.

Liar. Not only do you explicitly say "I think that Thunderbird is a Mac
app" below, but when Doc explained (quite correctly) that apps like
Thunderbird consider Mac support as only an afterthought and have source
code that is unusable for anyone looking to make a modern Mac app, you
retorted: 

"A Mac app starts with a clickyclick."

Thunderbird may start with a "clickyclick", but it's not what most
technically knowledgeable people consider to be a true Mac app since by
design it is a mere port with very little actual Mac feature support.

>>>> And even *then* it clearly isn’t a Mac app.  Yes, we may make due 
>>>> with Eclipse or Audacity from time to time, and maybe Thunderbird or 
>>>> Pan if there is no other choice.  But every Mac user can tell right 
>>>> away that they’re not Mac apps.
>>>
>>> Thunderbird opens nicely without extra libraries and frameworks and even 
>>> uses the menubar. I've have had Macs as my primary computers since year 
>>> 2k and I think that it is a Mac app.
>> 
>> You haven't been here very long. Many of us have had Macs since the 80s.
>> Many of us know the technical difference between an application that is
>> designed for Mac and an application that was designed for some other
>> platform and lazily ported to Mac.
>
> I am a Mac user

Barely. Clearly.

> and I think that Thunderbird is a Mac app, ergo is O'Leary wrong...

It doesn't really matter what you think - you're wrong. And you lie,
contradicting yourself for all to see. Reality is slapping you in the
face, and you don't even realize it. You come off looking rather foolish
in the process. So be it.

-- 
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JR

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[ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) stk.usenet@haller-berlin.de (Stefan Haller) - 2016-08-21 17:51 +0200
  Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-21 15:58 +0000
    Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-21 16:47 +0000
      Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-21 16:58 +0000
        Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-22 05:03 +1200
          Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-21 17:25 +0000
        Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-21 17:06 +0000
      Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) David Kennedy <davidkennedy@nospamherethankyou.invalid> - 2016-08-21 21:10 +0100
      Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-23 02:01 +0000
        Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-23 02:25 +0000
          Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2016-08-23 08:39 +0100
            Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-23 09:05 +0000
              Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2016-08-23 13:06 +0200
              Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2016-08-23 16:00 +0100
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-08-23 10:35 -0600
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2016-08-23 17:39 +0100
          Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2016-08-23 10:59 +0100
            Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-23 12:22 +0000
            Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) David Kennedy <davidkennedy@nospamherethankyou.invalid> - 2016-08-25 01:54 +0100
              Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-25 05:33 +0200
          Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-24 15:47 +0000
            Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-24 18:04 +0200
              Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2016-08-24 17:37 +0100
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-24 19:32 +0200
              Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-25 15:56 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-25 18:39 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-25 17:00 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-25 19:20 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-25 17:34 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-25 19:58 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-25 18:04 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-25 20:15 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2016-08-25 21:43 +0100
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-25 21:16 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-26 04:14 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-26 03:14 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-26 05:21 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-26 04:36 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-26 06:50 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-26 05:38 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-26 07:46 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-26 20:13 +1200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-26 10:20 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-26 20:48 +1200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-26 11:14 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-27 02:08 +1200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-26 18:06 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-28 08:27 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-28 17:37 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-28 19:45 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2016-08-28 19:12 +0100
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-29 17:39 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) black.hole@jonbradbury.com (Jon B) - 2016-08-29 18:50 +0100
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2016-08-30 05:26 -0400
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-30 22:10 +1200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-30 13:22 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2016-08-28 20:04 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-28 20:14 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2016-08-29 12:49 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Julian Gomez <jeg@polished-pixels.com> - 2016-09-01 23:44 -0700
    Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) stk.usenet@haller-berlin.de (Stefan Haller) - 2016-08-22 18:41 +0200
      Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-22 17:11 +0000
  Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-22 04:40 +1200
    Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) js@xs4all.nl (Jeroen Scheerder) - 2016-08-21 19:14 +0200
      Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-22 13:08 +1200
      Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2016-08-23 13:06 +0200
    Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) - 2016-08-21 21:54 +0100
      Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-08-22 09:21 +1200
    Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jean-Pierre Kuypers <Kuypers@address.invalid> - 2016-08-22 21:18 +0200
      Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-23 12:24 +1200
  Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) "James C. Andrew" <jim@magrathea.plus.com> - 2016-08-22 09:14 +0100
  Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nemo@erewhon.invalid (John Hill) - 2016-08-22 09:17 +0100
    Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2016-08-23 11:40 +0100
  Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) macker@nospam.invalid (Macker) - 2016-08-22 11:44 -0300
  Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) g.harper@gmx.line (Gwynne Harper) - 2016-08-22 19:44 +0300
  Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) andekl_no@saaf_spam.se (Anders Eklöf) - 2016-08-22 23:49 +0200
    Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) stk.usenet@haller-berlin.de (Stefan Haller) - 2016-08-23 12:04 +0200
  Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2016-08-23 13:15 +0200
    Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) info@that.sundog.co.uk (SM) - 2016-08-23 12:37 +0100
    Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) stk.usenet@haller-berlin.de (Stefan Haller) - 2016-08-23 14:19 +0200
      Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2016-08-23 23:02 +0200
        Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-08-23 17:06 -0600
          Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2016-08-24 10:46 +0200
            Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-24 21:13 +1200
              Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Graham J <graham@invalid.com> - 2016-08-24 10:49 +0100
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-24 22:08 +1200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) HarpingOn <postmaster@127.0.0.1> - 2016-08-25 20:05 +0100
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 16:29 +0100
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-27 07:32 +1200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-26 19:58 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) henry999@eircom.net (Henry) - 2016-08-27 20:25 +0300
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-28 07:22 +1200
              Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2016-08-24 13:05 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-25 00:49 +1200
            Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jean-Pierre Kuypers <Kuypers@address.invalid> - 2016-08-24 11:40 +0200
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