Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported)

From	android <here@there.was>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.comm, uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject	Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported)
Followup-To	comp.sys.mac.comm
Date	2016-08-25 19:58 +0200
Organization	the center
Message-ID	<here-0C34C4.19585425082016@news.individual.net> (permalink)
References	(7 earlier) <npn4fk$ujo$1@dont-email.me> <here-BDF52B.18392325082016@news.individual.net> <e28mh0Fgs93U6@mid.individual.net> <here-3990F4.19202125082016@news.individual.net> <e28oggFgs93U14@mid.individual.net>

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In article <e28oggFgs93U14@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2016-08-25, android <here@there.was> wrote:
> > In article <e28mh0Fgs93U6@mid.individual.net>,
> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2016-08-25, android <here@there.was> wrote:
> >>> In article <npn4fk$ujo$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>>  Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> For your reference, records indicate that 
> >>>> android <here@there.was> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> No confusion ahere! A Mac app starts with a clickyclick and are not 
> >>>>> dependent on that some extra frameworks are installed on the side.
> >>>> 
> >>>> No, a Mac app is written to work well with the OS, not just some 
> >>>> half-assed port.  Pan doesn’t even appear to provide anything like a 
> >>>> disk image with any sort of “clicklyclick” for the Mac, and it sure as 
> >>>> hell isn’t available in the App Store.  I mean, the only Mac OS X 
> >>>> screenshot they provide is from the era of the pinstripe UI:
> >>>> 
> >>>> http://pan.rebelbase.com/screenshots/osx.png
> >>>
> >>> Look as expected if its run under X...
> >> 
> >> And the point you're desperately avoiding is: It ain't a Mac app by most
> >> relevant standards.
> >
> > Never said that it was.

That screen shoot is of Pan. I have never said that Pan is a Mac app.
> 
> Liar. Not only do you explicitly say "I think that Thunderbird is a Mac
> app" below, but when Doc explained (quite correctly) that apps like
> Thunderbird consider Mac support as only an afterthought and have source
> code that is unusable for anyone looking to make a modern Mac app, you
> retorted: 
> 
> "A Mac app starts with a clickyclick."
> 
> Thunderbird may start with a "clickyclick", but it's not what most
> technically knowledgeable people consider to be a true Mac app since by
> design it is a mere port with very little actual Mac feature support.

Works better than Unison...
> 
> >>>> And even *then* it clearly isn’t a Mac app.  Yes, we may make due 
> >>>> with Eclipse or Audacity from time to time, and maybe Thunderbird or 
> >>>> Pan if there is no other choice.  But every Mac user can tell right 
> >>>> away that they’re not Mac apps.
> >>>
> >>> Thunderbird opens nicely without extra libraries and frameworks and even 
> >>> uses the menubar. I've have had Macs as my primary computers since year 
> >>> 2k and I think that it is a Mac app.
> >> 
> >> You haven't been here very long. Many of us have had Macs since the 80s.
> >> Many of us know the technical difference between an application that is
> >> designed for Mac and an application that was designed for some other
> >> platform and lazily ported to Mac.
> >
> > I am a Mac user
> 
> Barely. Clearly.

How is that clear?
> 
> > and I think that Thunderbird is a Mac app, ergo is O'Leary wrong...
> 
> It doesn't really matter what you think - you're wrong. And you lie,
> contradicting yourself for all to see. Reality is slapping you in the
> face, and you don't even realize it. You come off looking rather foolish
> in the process. So be it.

No. O'Leary said: "...Thunderbird or Pan if there is no other choice.  
But every Mac user can tell right away that they’re not Mac apps."

I am a Mac user and I think that Thunderbird is a Mac app. O'Leary is 
wrong.

PEBKAC in pirate central!
-- 
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[ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) stk.usenet@haller-berlin.de (Stefan Haller) - 2016-08-21 17:51 +0200
  Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-21 15:58 +0000
    Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-21 16:47 +0000
      Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-21 16:58 +0000
        Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-22 05:03 +1200
          Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-21 17:25 +0000
        Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-21 17:06 +0000
      Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) David Kennedy <davidkennedy@nospamherethankyou.invalid> - 2016-08-21 21:10 +0100
      Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-23 02:01 +0000
        Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-23 02:25 +0000
          Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2016-08-23 08:39 +0100
            Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-23 09:05 +0000
              Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2016-08-23 13:06 +0200
              Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2016-08-23 16:00 +0100
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-08-23 10:35 -0600
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2016-08-23 17:39 +0100
          Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2016-08-23 10:59 +0100
            Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-23 12:22 +0000
            Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) David Kennedy <davidkennedy@nospamherethankyou.invalid> - 2016-08-25 01:54 +0100
              Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-25 05:33 +0200
          Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-24 15:47 +0000
            Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-24 18:04 +0200
              Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2016-08-24 17:37 +0100
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-24 19:32 +0200
              Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-25 15:56 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-25 18:39 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-25 17:00 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-25 19:20 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-25 17:34 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-25 19:58 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-25 18:04 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-25 20:15 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2016-08-25 21:43 +0100
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-25 21:16 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-26 04:14 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-26 03:14 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-26 05:21 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-26 04:36 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-26 06:50 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-26 05:38 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-26 07:46 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-26 20:13 +1200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-26 10:20 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-26 20:48 +1200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-26 11:14 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-27 02:08 +1200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-26 18:06 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-28 08:27 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-28 17:37 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-28 19:45 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2016-08-28 19:12 +0100
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-29 17:39 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) black.hole@jonbradbury.com (Jon B) - 2016-08-29 18:50 +0100
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2016-08-30 05:26 -0400
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-30 22:10 +1200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-30 13:22 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2016-08-28 20:04 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) android <here@there.was> - 2016-08-28 20:14 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2016-08-29 12:49 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Julian Gomez <jeg@polished-pixels.com> - 2016-09-01 23:44 -0700
    Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) stk.usenet@haller-berlin.de (Stefan Haller) - 2016-08-22 18:41 +0200
      Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-22 17:11 +0000
  Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-22 04:40 +1200
    Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) js@xs4all.nl (Jeroen Scheerder) - 2016-08-21 19:14 +0200
      Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-22 13:08 +1200
      Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2016-08-23 13:06 +0200
    Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) - 2016-08-21 21:54 +0100
      Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-08-22 09:21 +1200
    Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jean-Pierre Kuypers <Kuypers@address.invalid> - 2016-08-22 21:18 +0200
      Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-23 12:24 +1200
  Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) "James C. Andrew" <jim@magrathea.plus.com> - 2016-08-22 09:14 +0100
  Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nemo@erewhon.invalid (John Hill) - 2016-08-22 09:17 +0100
    Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2016-08-23 11:40 +0100
  Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) macker@nospam.invalid (Macker) - 2016-08-22 11:44 -0300
  Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) g.harper@gmx.line (Gwynne Harper) - 2016-08-22 19:44 +0300
  Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) andekl_no@saaf_spam.se (Anders Eklöf) - 2016-08-22 23:49 +0200
    Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) stk.usenet@haller-berlin.de (Stefan Haller) - 2016-08-23 12:04 +0200
  Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2016-08-23 13:15 +0200
    Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) info@that.sundog.co.uk (SM) - 2016-08-23 12:37 +0100
    Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) stk.usenet@haller-berlin.de (Stefan Haller) - 2016-08-23 14:19 +0200
      Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2016-08-23 23:02 +0200
        Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-08-23 17:06 -0600
          Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2016-08-24 10:46 +0200
            Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-24 21:13 +1200
              Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Graham J <graham@invalid.com> - 2016-08-24 10:49 +0100
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-24 22:08 +1200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) HarpingOn <postmaster@127.0.0.1> - 2016-08-25 20:05 +0100
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 16:29 +0100
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-27 07:32 +1200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-08-26 19:58 +0000
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) henry999@eircom.net (Henry) - 2016-08-27 20:25 +0300
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-28 07:22 +1200
              Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2016-08-24 13:05 +0200
                Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2016-08-25 00:49 +1200
            Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) Jean-Pierre Kuypers <Kuypers@address.invalid> - 2016-08-24 11:40 +0200
            Re: [ANN] MacSOUP is now free (and unsupported) nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-08-24 19:18 -0600
  [ANN] French MacSOUP Jean-Pierre Kuypers <Kuypers@address.invalid> - 2016-08-29 18:41 +0200

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