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Re: monster cables

From felix <me@nothere.invalid>
Newsgroups aus.computers, aus.cars
Subject Re: monster cables
Date 2016-07-02 14:56 +1000
Message-ID <dtovrrFu1t6U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References (22 earlier) <nl3a0q$ouf$1@dont-email.me> <dtlthlFbm7cU1@mid.individual.net> <57768118$0$1497$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <dto7qcFq007U1@mid.individual.net> <577707fc$0$2829$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com>

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On 02-July-2016 10:16 AM, Clocky wrote:
> On 2/07/2016 6:05 AM, felix wrote:
>> On 02-July-2016 12:41 AM, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 1/07/2016 8:58 AM, felix wrote:
>>>> On 01-July-2016 12:26 AM, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 30/06/16 11:42 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I couldn't care less what you have or where you got it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you stated unequivocally above that I 'was sucked in' by a 
>>>>>> salesman at
>>>>>> HN and bought a monster cable from them. that was just a lie. you
>>>>>> are so
>>>>>> full of shit!
>>>>>
>>>>> Like Clockwit and Paul, Sarcasm goes over your head with enough
>>>>> daylight in between that you could barrel roll a squadron of C-5
>>>>> Galaxys thought the gap.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You claim that Monster cables are the "industry standard" and that
>>>>>>> they're the best thing on the market,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> pretty much
>>>>>
>>>>> So you say, and I find it more than a little amusing that you're the
>>>>> *only* person who does.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> and despite all the noise you've made on the subject over the last
>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>> weeks you have not lifted a *finger* to cite a single thing that
>>>>>>> proves your case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> because I'm not interested.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're interested enough to keep banging away with the same old
>>>>> unfounded bullshit whenever this conversation comes up. I think what
>>>>> you're trying to say here is *not* that you're "not interested" in
>>>>> proving your case, but that you *can't*.
>>>>>
>>>>>> ppl in the AV industry know how good they are
>>>>>
>>>>> Really? And who would these people be? What "AV Professionals" do you
>>>>> know that use the things?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd genuinely like to know.....
>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the mean time, people who's *shit* knows more than you on your
>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>> day have unanimously agreed that not only are you wrong, but 
>>>>>>> totally
>>>>>>> clueless on the subject.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you're either and idiot, a fool, or a troll. which is it? bye!
>>>>>
>>>>> You know Felix, if your claims about Monster cables were even
>>>>> *remotely* true it'd be a piece of piss for you to prove your case 
>>>>> and
>>>>> shut everyone up once and for all.
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact that you don't even *try* to do so tells everyone all they
>>>>> ever need to know about your "opinion".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> it was discussed in aus.computers, and I have no intention of 
>>>> rehashing
>>>> it here. you know nothing about the topic, nothing about cables, 
>>>> nothing
>>>> about what was said or discussed,
>>>
>>> On the money so far...
>>
>> you see.. this is how a rational debate works. there has to be
>> acknowledgement of points of agreement, then they can be dismissed from
>> the discussion, so only the points of disagreement remain, to be
>> addressed by argument and counter-argument, until either agreement is
>> reached, or agreement to disagree. I have been on usenet for decades,
>> and have had many good discussions on various topics in this way. noddy
>> bangs on about how I won't defend my claims, but he is just too stupid
>> to understand that I bail because of the adhom, as I do with anyone. but
>> of course, it's only adhom that he wants to engage in. the topic just
>> provides the medium.
>>
>
> That much is self-evident.
>
>>>
>>>
>>>  and nothing about my knowledge and
>>>> experience, which I assure you is relevant.
>>>
>>> ....and then you go and ruin it with that nonsense.
>>
>> feel free to enlighten everyone about my knowledge and experience then..
>
> I can't, I can only judge by what you have said.

see, you can't even manage one line without being irrational. you 
claimed above that my knowledge and experience isn't relevant by calling 
it nonsense, and then turn around and say you have no knowledge of it.

>
>>
>>>
>>> you simply want it rehashed
>>>> as an excuse to throw yet more dirt on me, same as with the tyres 
>>>> saga,
>>>> or anything else I say. you are not interested in arguments, reasons,
>>>> explanations, or anything else I might offer. as Xeno said so
>>>> succinctly.."hanging shit on people is what YOU live for"  I am always
>>>> happy to discuss any issue with anyone who will do so rationally and
>>>> sensibly, which must of necessity include acknowledging and 
>>>> accepting or
>>>> granting opposing argument. I will not oblige you. you are either
>>>> incapable of it, or unwilling of doing so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> So how is it you ended up rejecting what I posted in a sensible and
>>> rational discussion that easily showed that you were mistaken and gave
>>> you perfectly good technical reasons as to why that was so?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> am I supposed to remember everything that was said?
>
> No, but you're banging on about how people don't engage in rational 
> and sensible discussion. That doesn't fly if you simply can't remember 
> having the rational and sensible discussion.

remembering a discussion is irrelevant to whether it was rational or not

>
>
> and what rational
>> discussion was there? all I recall was you trying to tell me I could not
>> see what I can see,
>
> and explained why you couldn't see what you claimed you could see 
> between different HDMI cables (or blank media) due to the way digital 
> signals work when compared to analog ones.
>
>  and have seen (and heard) for decades dealing with
>> all kinds of AV equipment and setups, and how stupid I am for not
>> accepting what you tell me
>>
>>
>
> It's not what I tell you, it's what everyone with a clue will tell you 
> in regards to how digital signals work which is what we were discussing.

and you assume that doesn't include me

>
> This is what you claimed initially:
>
> "I burnt the same movie on a TDK disc, and it played fine. I prefer to
> use LG tho since I get a better picture from them. TDK discs have 
> better colour saturation, but are less clear than LG (not as sharp). 
> no problem to turn the colour up a bit on the tv tho when playing an 
> LG disc. I don't know that many ppl realize that different brands of 
> discs produce different results. anyway, I then burnt another LG of 
> the same movie, and it played just fine also! in all cases I have used 
> the same burner and source files. what do you think the problem could 
> have been? just a faulty disc? or somehow a 'bad burn'? I would have 
> thought that quality control these days would be so good that it's not 
> possible (or likely) for some discs in a batch to be bad, and that 
> burners don't produce 'faulty' burns either these days. Rod may have 
> some thoughts about all this too."
>
> To which Rod replied:
>
> "You're completely off with the fucking fairys
> on this, it’s a DIGITAL system, stupid."
>
> We all know of Rod and his people skills but I replied with what I 
> would argue is a pretty sensible and rational reply:
>
> "No, the reason that you can't see the difference is that the 
> information encoded to the disc is digital which means it's either 0 
> or 1. That means a 1:1 copy can only have the same information. The 
> only way you might see a difference is if there are errors and you can 
> check this verifying or comparing two discs.
> If your player isn't reading a particular disc the same, there might be
> read errors and the bit rate might be dropped but they don't manifest 
> in a way you describe by changing how an image looks in the way you
> describe over the length of a movie.
> What you would see is pixelation and skipping.
> You are applying an old analog idea to a digital medium and that just
> doesn't work.
> I suppose you can see a difference when using two different brands of
> HDMI cables too can you, because it makes just as much sense."
>
>
> Which then kicked off your HDMI cable claim as well.
>
> Given what you have said, are you also going to claim that you can see 
> a difference between movies copied onto different brand of USB drive?
>
> If not, why not?
>

I asked you to start a new thread in aus.computers so we can discuss it 
sensibly, and you have chosen to ignore that, and just cut and paste and 
cross post in aus.cars, which I asked you not to do, as I said I would 
not address it here. since you have chosen to ignore this request, why 
would you now expect me to respond?


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                Re: monster cables Noddy <me@wardengineering.com> - 2016-07-02 00:17 +1000
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                Re: monster cables Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@nunnya.business.com.au> - 2016-07-01 11:45 +1000
                Re: monster cables Noddy <me@wardengineering.com> - 2016-07-01 19:36 +1000
                Re: monster cables Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-07-01 23:46 +1000
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                Re: monster cables Noddy <me@wardengineering.com> - 2016-07-02 08:54 +1000
                Re: monster cables Jeßus <j@j.j> - 2016-07-02 09:12 +1000
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                Re: monster cables Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-07-02 19:22 +0000
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                Re: monster cables Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-07-02 13:02 +1000
                Re: monster cables jonz <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 01:40 -0700
                Re: monster cables Grumpy Tech <xr8_sprint@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-02 18:47 +1000
                Re: monster cables Noddy <me@wardengineering.com> - 2016-07-02 20:43 +1000
                Re: monster cables Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2016-07-02 23:24 +0800
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                Re: monster cables Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-07-03 12:05 +1000
                Re: monster cables jonz <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 01:08 -0700
                Re: monster cables Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2016-07-01 22:41 +0800
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                Re: monster cables Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2016-07-02 08:16 +0800
                Re: monster cables Jeßus <j@j.j> - 2016-07-02 12:48 +1000
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                Re: monster cables Noddy <me@wardengineering.com> - 2016-07-02 15:16 +1000
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                Re: monster cables Noddy <me@wardengineering.com> - 2016-07-02 20:49 +1000
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                Re: monster cables Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-07-03 13:40 +1000
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                Re: monster cables Noddy <me@wardengineering.com> - 2016-07-03 17:43 +1000
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                Re: monster cables Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-07-05 13:37 +1000
                Re: monster cables Noddy <me@wardengineering.com> - 2016-07-05 13:44 +1000
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                Re: monster cables Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2016-07-06 00:18 +0800
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                Re: monster cables Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-07-02 16:54 +1000
                Noddy's Naked Women. news16 <news16@woa.com.au> - 2016-07-02 07:39 +0000
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                Re: Noddy's Naked Women. Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-07-02 23:41 +1000
                Re: Noddy's Naked Women. D Walford <dwalford@internode.on.net> - 2016-07-03 09:28 +1000
                Re: Noddy's Naked Women. Noddy <me@wardengineering.com> - 2016-07-03 10:03 +1000
                Re: Noddy's Naked Women. D Walford <dwalford@internode.on.net> - 2016-07-03 13:17 +1000
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                Re: Saving a mobile phone app felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-06-25 10:58 +1000
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                Re: Saving a mobile phone app Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@nunnya.business.com.au> - 2016-06-27 12:49 +1000
                Re: Saving a mobile phone app jonz <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2016-06-28 01:44 -0700
                Re: Saving a mobile phone app Jeßus <j@j.j> - 2016-06-25 11:57 +1000
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                Re: Saving a mobile phone app Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2016-06-25 14:32 +0800
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    Re: Saving a mobile phone app "Max" <max@no.email> - 2016-06-23 12:49 +1000
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