Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD

From	Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.mobile.ipad, aus.computers
Subject	Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD
Date	2016-04-12 20:45 +0000
Message-ID	<dn5530Fac17U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References	(8 earlier) <110420161719411538%nospam@nospam.invalid> <dn4jbkF5ociU1@mid.individual.net> <120420161351477015%nospam@nospam.invalid> <dn4utdF8ol3U1@mid.individual.net> <120420161534578396%nospam@nospam.invalid>

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <dn4utdF8ol3U1@mid.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > > >   Non-sense! It's again iJerks blaming the victim and 'defending' the
> > > > indefensible.
> > > > 
> > > > 1) *Nobody* needs to prove that they got a device in a legal manner.
> > > 
> > > of course they do!! 
> > > 
> > > nobody warrants stolen property. nobody.
> > > 
> > > the serial number of the device is scanned not only to determine
> > > warranty coverage but if it has been reported stolen.
> > > 
> > > if it has been reported stolen, the rest of your day is going to be
> > > very different than what you had planned.
> > 
> >   Look brainiac, what - you 'think' - Apple does, has absolutely NOTHING
> > to do with reality, let alone (the) law!
> 
> if you think apple is violating the law, retain a lawyer and file a
> lawsuit.
> 
> otherwise, you're just spewing.

  Nope, brainiac, just for once *try* to read for comprehension! I said
"what - you 'think' - Apple does". I.e. I don't think for a minute that
*Apple* is so stupid to actually do what *you* *say* they (will) do.

> >   People can LEGALLY get an iDevice in many ways, and it's nobody's
> > bloody business, also not Apple's, how they got it,
> 
> nobody said otherwise.

  *You* said umpteen times that the user has to provide proof of purchase
to get Apple to fix this problem.

  I'm 'glad' that you finally 'realize' how dead wrong you were.

> you previously said:
> > > > 1) *Nobody* needs to prove that they got a device in a legal manner.
> 
> now you're backpedalling. 

  <boggle>

> > when there's - as in
> > THIS case - a USAGE/TECHNICAL problem with it (which, adding insult to
> > injury, is *caused* by Apple).
> 
> the problem was *not* caused by apple.

  Try to follow the thread: It was caused by a fsck-ed up Apple update
which was withdrawn, fixed and re-issued.

> >   In the real world, IF Apple/anyone would do what you babble about, i.e.
> > check a device for being stolen WITHOUT due course, then THEY will be in
> > deep shit!
> 
> that's the point. 
> 
> stolen property does not get warranty service. very simple.

  Get a grip! There IS no "stolen property" in this case.

> > > > 2) The 'forgetting' the password, ID, <whatever> is a *common* thing,
> > > >    which can happen in all kinds of scenarios, the most severe being
> > > >    people getting sick, dying, etc..
> > > 
> > > that's why apple has a site for exactly that purpose. 
> > > 
> > > all anyone needs to do is visit <https://iforgot.apple.com/>.
> > 
> >   So you claim there IS no problem? That Doug doesn't need *any*
> > information to recover? Get real!
> 
> the only problem is of his own making.

  Nope, Apple's making. See above.

> there is no flaw in the product nor is there a defect in the
> workmanship.

  Except for the fsck-up update which *caused* the problem, remember.

> he fucked up and needs to take responsibility.

  Exactly *which* part of "getting sick, dying, etc." didn't you
understand!? Earth to nospam: People tend to 'forget' things when they
die (or get (too) sick).

> > > >   For example, a reasonable scenario would be for Apple to ask the
> > > > customer to bring the device to one of their stores/retailers, ask for
> > > > some identifying information which is *on* the iPad, unlock it, check
> > > > the device for said information, if it's there, give the device to the
> > > > customer, if it's not, lock the device again.
> > > 
> > > you must be kidding. that's so trivially spoofed.
> > 
> >   Not at all. There very likely is some information on the device, which
> > is unique to the owner, for example something as simple as e-mail/IM/
> > <whatever> account information.
> 
> all anyone needs to do is look at the information on the device before
> visiting the store.

  Earth to nospam: Don *cannot* "look at the information on the device",
because he's locked out of it! Duh!

> and it's not like people memorize every little detail on their device
> anyway. there's lots of stuff on people's devices that they might nor
> remember being there.

  Duh! It's not what they don't remember, but - unique information -
which they *do* remember. But I gather this everyday verfication concept
is way over your head.

  Bottom line: Keep digging that hole. You're nearly there and maybe
(Yeah right!)a you can then help Don in person.

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                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-12 23:54 -0400
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 15:06 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-13 18:30 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-13 16:12 -0400
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-13 20:56 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-13 18:20 -0400
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-13 22:53 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 10:02 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-14 00:14 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 13:07 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-14 06:13 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-14 14:51 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-14 14:48 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-14 15:35 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-14 18:17 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-14 14:31 -0400
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-14 19:19 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-14 15:39 -0400
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-14 21:08 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-14 19:51 -0400
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 11:36 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-14 21:39 -0400
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 15:29 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-15 12:22 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-15 12:19 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 11:21 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-14 20:06 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-14 21:17 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-15 03:39 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 15:40 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-15 12:29 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-15 15:55 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-15 20:29 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-15 22:25 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2016-04-15 21:08 -0400
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 08:17 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 11:24 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2016-04-15 01:40 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-14 21:50 -0400
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 15:32 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 15:31 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-15 12:36 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-15 15:17 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Johan <JHvB@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-15 21:41 +0200
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 08:16 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 05:09 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 09:57 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-14 14:42 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-13 22:21 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 07:12 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-04-12 10:21 +1200
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-11 18:29 -0400
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 09:10 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-12 19:17 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-12 19:21 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-12 21:05 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-13 03:41 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-12 15:34 -0400
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-12 21:11 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-12 21:18 -0400
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 14:02 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 10:01 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 08:36 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-04-12 11:18 +1200
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 10:37 +1000
            Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 06:52 +1000
              Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> - 2016-04-12 07:03 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-11 21:14 +0000
              Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-11 21:09 +0000
        Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Ammammata <ammammata@tiscalinet.it> - 2016-04-20 10:01 +0000
          Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-20 11:37 -0400
            Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-20 15:57 +0000
              Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-20 20:29 +0000
          Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-20 20:29 +0000
          Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2016-04-20 18:05 -0400
            Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 12:21 +1000
          Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2016-04-20 22:45 +0000
            Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Ammammata <ammammata@tiscalinet.it> - 2016-04-21 07:00 +0000
          Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 12:14 +1000
      Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 05:23 +1000
        Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 05:26 +1000
          Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> - 2016-04-12 05:53 +1000
            Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 06:49 +1000
              Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> - 2016-04-12 07:15 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-11 21:18 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-12 19:27 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-12 15:34 -0400
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-12 21:17 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 10:02 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-12 21:18 -0400
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 14:17 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-13 16:12 -0400
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 07:01 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-12 19:36 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-12 21:23 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-12 21:18 -0400
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 14:03 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 10:05 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 07:41 +1000
        Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> - 2016-04-12 05:50 +1000
          Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 06:40 +1000
            Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> - 2016-04-12 06:48 +1000
              Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 07:11 +1000
          Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-12 08:54 +0000
            Re: Apple have stolen my iPAD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-12 19:32 +0000

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