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Re: Why are external drives cheaper than internal?

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Rod Speed wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote
>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.
>> Which of the SMART attributes give the maker and model?  None.
> 
> Pity about the make and model that shows up
> with almost all drives on the SMART report.

Evading the question again.

>> It's the hardware ID (firmware string) that identifies the device.
> 
> I said SMART REPORT for a reason.

Yeah, that's obvious why you are trying to obfuscate your response.
That does not actually specify what utility you were thinking about but
failed to mention, a utility - as it turns out - is not only reporting
S.M.A.R.T. attributes but performing *other* tasks, like retrieving and
parsing the firmware string.

Since you chose to be obtuse, "REPORT" adds no further clarification to
"SMART".  You didn't determine how to retrieve the firmware string.  I
did that despite your vague response.

>> Yes, you can use the drive maker's own utility to get that
>> info since they know how to retrieve the firmware string.
> 
> And any even halfway decent SMART report includes it too.

Not if it only retrieve the S.M.A.R.T. data.  The device's firmware
screen is not part of the S.M.A.R.T. specifiction.  The firmware string
was retrievable on devices that provided it before S.M.A.R.T. even
showed up.

>> I was hoping there were 3rd party utilities that would
>> extract the hardware ID from the device's firmware.
> 
> There are, they are called SMART utes.

Doesn't require a utility to read S.M.A.R.T. data (which does not
identify the device).  Does require a utility that reads the firmware
string whether it also includes S.M.A.R.T. data or not.

You got caught claiming S.M.A.R.T. provides device identification and
now you're trying to cover your for your mistake.

>> Couldn't find anything that said getting S.M.A.R.T. data would
>> divulge the hardware ID (which contains maker and model)
> 
> You could have got real radical and had a look at the
> SMART reports that are all over the web and seen the drive
> manufacturer and model listed on almost all of those.

S.M.A.R.T. has no attributes to report the device identification.  Any
of those so-called reports are the utilities retrieving MORE than just
the S.M.A.R.T. attributes.

>> Then I found:
>> http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/17973/How-To-Get-Hardware-Information-CPU-ID-MainBoard-I
>> http://www.soft.tahionic.com/download-hdd_id/hardware%20id%20programming%20source%20code/idex.html
> 
>> So, yep, you have to query the devices to get their hardware ID string
>> and other device attributes.  Not all utilities to retrieve the firmware
>> string parse out all values.
> 
> I can't think of a SMART ute that doesn't include the drive's manufacturer
> and drive model number at the top of the SMART report.

Ah, so now you're finally admitting that S.M.A.R.T. does not provide
device identification and these utilities have to retrieve MORE than
just the S.M.A.R.T. attributes.

It also means you've admitted it is not required and ineffective to
retrieve S.M.A.R.T. attributes when the intent is to identify the
device.

>> HD Sentinel gives me most S.M.A.R.T. data and also parses
>> more out of the firmware string: VID, PID, hard disk model
>> ID (maker+model), firmware version, and serial number.
> 
> So as I said, there is no need to open the case to work out
> what drive is being used in a particular external hard drive.

Yes, you explained that so well in your prior responses that no further
research was required to figure out what the fuck you meant.  Plus you
were wrong since S.M.A.R.T. does not identify the device.

>> S.M.A.R.T. and USB enumeration doesn't provide any of the ID info.
> 
> But almost all SMART reports do in fact have the drive manufacturer
> and model listed at the top of the SMART report, presumably
> because it can be handy to see which drive the report is about.

So unlike your original claim that S.M.A.R.T. identifies the device, I
have to instead use a program that retrieves the firmware string.  That
utility may include S.M.A.R.T. data but it is not required nor relevant
to identifying the device.  Lots of utilities do more than one thing.
Some only do one thing: what you want them to do and only that.

>> I had forgotten that I installed HD Sentinel.  I have found other
>> tools, like those above, that will poll the devices to query for
>> their firmware string(s) to parse out values, like hardware ID.
> 
> So, like I said, there is no need to open the case to see
> what drive is used in a particular external hard drive.

And, so, unlike you said, S.M.A.R.T. does not identify the device.

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