Re: Better to wait for 10.11?

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: Better to wait for 10.11?
Date	2015-09-13 19:43 +0000
Organization	People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
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On 2015-09-13, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-09-13 12:59, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Of course. Anyone with a clue knows it's best to install third-party
>> command-line software in /usr/local.
>
> Vast majority opf cases, the installers don't tell you where the files
> are going

Nonsense. It's very easy to see where most open source command-line
packages will be installed.

> Here is a popular example:
>
> /usr/bin/wireshark
> /usr/bin/wireshark/capinfos
> /usr/bin/wireshark/dftest
> /usr/bin/wireshark/dumpcap
> /usr/bin/wireshark/editcap
> /usr/bin/wireshark/idl2wrs
> /usr/bin/wireshark/mergecap
> /usr/bin/wireshark/randpkt
> /usr/bin/wireshark/rawshark
> /usr/bin/wireshark/text2pcap
> /usr/bin/wireshark/tshark
> /usr/bin/wireshark/wireshark
>
> I assume a new version of wireshark will place its files elsewhere. But
> this requires one to go through all those directories to spot any 3rd
> party apps and then find out if the app can be moved elsewhere, or if it
> requires new version etc.

As usual, you are basing your opinions on outdated/incorrect information.

From the Wireshark ReadMe file: 

"What changes does the installer make?

The installer writes to the following locations:

• /Applications/Wireshark.app. The main Wireshark application.

• /Library/LaunchDaemons/org.wireshark.ChmodBPF.plist. A launch daemon
that adjusts permissions on the system's packet capture devices
(/dev/bpf*) when the system starts up.

• /Library/Application Support/Wireshark/ChmodBPF A copy of the launch
daemon property list, and the script that the launch daemon runs.  

• /usr/local/bin. A wrapper script and symbolic links which will let you
run Wireshark and its associated utilities from the command line. You
can access them directly or by adding /usr/local/bin to your PATH if
it's not already in your PATH.

Additionally a group named access_bpf is created. The user who opened
the package is added to the group."

I just installed the latest version using the default installer
provided, and indeed nothing is installed in /usr/bin. : )

> What I do not know is whether Apple started to warn people well ahead of
> time to not put stuff in /usr and the other dirs that are to be locked
> down, or if this came this june when apple announced SIP.

Apple announced and described El Capitan (including the SIP feature)
back in June 2015 at WWDC, and El Capitan has not yet been released -
though a public beta is available. There's plenty of time for developers
to make changes. And indeed, as with your faulty example above with
Wireshark, many already have.

Keep trying to manufacture a problem where there is none, if you feel
you must. 

-- 
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JR

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Better to wait for 10.11? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-09-11 23:26 +0000
  Re: Better to wait for 10.11? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-11 19:31 -0400
  Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-11 23:38 +0000
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        Re: Better to wait for 10.11? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-09-13 20:20 +0000
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  Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-11 16:45 -0700
  Re: Better to wait for 10.11? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-11 20:00 -0400
    Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-12 00:08 +0000
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        Re: Better to wait for 10.11? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-11 21:38 -0400
        Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-12 15:50 +0000
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                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-13 16:59 +0000
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                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-13 19:13 +0000
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                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-13 19:43 +0000
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-13 13:14 -0700
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-13 20:16 +0000
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-13 13:18 -0700
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-13 20:21 +0000
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                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-13 19:35 -0400
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                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-14 14:57 +0000
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 16:11 -0400
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-13 20:15 +0000
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                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-13 21:01 +0000
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-09-14 12:35 +1200
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