Re: Better to wait for 10.11?

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: Better to wait for 10.11?
Date	2015-09-14 00:53 +0000
Organization	People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
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On 2015-09-13, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-09-13 15:43, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Apple announced and described El Capitan (including the SIP feature)
>> back in June 2015 at WWDC, and El Capitan has not yet been released 
>
> June announcement for a September introduction. You seriously think that
> all software developpers are ready to distribute new spoftware in just a
> couple of months ?

First, most software developers aren't developing OS X kernel extensions
- not by a long shot. The very few that do are fully aware of the fact
that they need to sign their kernel extensions for them to continue
working in 10.11. It's no secret. And second, Apple has provided
developers with detailed step-by-step instructions showing how to create
developer certificates and how to sign their code. There is nothing
especially cumbersome or time-consuming involved, and it's certainly not
beyond the means of a competent kernel extension developer.

You are desperately trying to manufacture a problem where there is none. 

> Consider that unix open source software is NOT on an Apple scxhedule and
> a new release may not be forthcoming.

Most open source software doesn't come with OS X kernel extensions.
Those that do will certainly be updated if El Capitan compatibility is
desired or needed.

> Consider that many users don't constantly update their unix software
> (for instance I have an oplder version of Wireshark that is in an
> illegal directory so I will have to fix that before upgrading, and
> look for any other piece of software in an illegal folder.
>
> It is the inventory of the software that is being evicted that takes
> time. Moving it and then setting whatever paths etc needed to make it
> work is work that need to be done.

That's a non-issue. The El Capitan installer moves (or removes) software
in the restricted directories automatically. All that is left is for you
to install updated versions. In the case of Wireshark, that takes just a
minute or two.

> X11 XQuartz still tries to setup soft links in /usr so that will have to
> stop.

There is no indication that XQuartz will not be updated for El Capitan,
just as it was updated for previous OS X releases.

> And a lot of older software may be programmed to look in /usr/X11
> for various libraries and without the symbolic link it won't find it.

Old software that depends on things that are in restricted directories
will need to be updated.

Honestly, you are complaining about shit that anyone with third-party
command-line software deals with regularly during system upgrades. You
aren't special in this regard. It doesn't present insurmountable
obstacles to anyone who is competent. If this presents problems for you,
the solution is simple: don't upgrade to El Capitan. Expecting Apple to
stay stuck in the past just for the convenience of little, old you is
unrealistic and silly.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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Better to wait for 10.11? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-09-11 23:26 +0000
  Re: Better to wait for 10.11? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-11 19:31 -0400
  Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-11 23:38 +0000
    Re: Better to wait for 10.11? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-09-12 01:10 +0000
      Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-12 17:31 -0400
        Re: Better to wait for 10.11? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-09-13 20:20 +0000
      Re: Better to wait for 10.11? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-09-14 23:48 +0000
  Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-11 16:45 -0700
  Re: Better to wait for 10.11? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-11 20:00 -0400
    Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-12 00:08 +0000
    Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-12 00:11 +0000
      Re: Better to wait for 10.11? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-11 20:15 -0400
        Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-12 00:26 +0000
      Re: Better to wait for 10.11? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-11 21:23 -0400
        Re: Better to wait for 10.11? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-11 21:38 -0400
        Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-12 15:50 +0000
          Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-12 15:54 +0000
          Re: Better to wait for 10.11? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-12 11:55 -0400
            Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-12 16:04 +0000
          Re: Better to wait for 10.11? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-12 13:57 -0400
            Re: Better to wait for 10.11? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-12 14:11 -0400
              Re: Better to wait for 10.11? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-09-13 11:27 -0600
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                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-09-14 12:35 +1200
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                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-13 12:25 -0400
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 12:46 -0400
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-13 16:59 +0000
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-13 15:03 -0400
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-13 19:13 +0000
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-13 15:06 -0400
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-13 19:43 +0000
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-13 13:14 -0700
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-13 20:16 +0000
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-13 13:18 -0700
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-13 20:21 +0000
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-13 19:33 -0400
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-13 19:35 -0400
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-14 00:54 +0000
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-14 00:53 +0000
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Bruce Esquibel <bje@ripco.com> - 2015-09-14 13:19 +0000
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-14 14:57 +0000
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 16:11 -0400
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-13 20:15 +0000
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-13 16:19 -0400
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-09-13 14:51 -0600
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-13 21:01 +0000
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-09-14 12:35 +1200
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-14 00:57 +0000
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-09-14 01:37 -0600
                Re: Better to wait for 10.11? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-14 14:54 +0000
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