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| From | Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.theory |
| Subject | Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt |
| Date | 2024-07-10 21:50 -0400 |
| Organization | i2pn2 (i2pn.org) |
| Message-ID | <c784fa694b9d68f5ace1d07c9870050681268fdc@i2pn2.org> (permalink) |
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On 7/10/24 9:21 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 7/10/2024 8:11 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 7/10/24 9:01 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 7/10/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 7/10/24 8:24 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 7/10/2024 7:01 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/10/24 9:41 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/10/2024 8:27 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>> Am Tue, 09 Jul 2024 23:19:25 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/9/2024 11:01 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > That means that HHH doesn't return, in particular that it
>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>> > abort.
>>>>>>>>> DDD correctly emulated by any pure function HHH that correctly
>>>>>>>>> emulates
>>>>>>>>> 1 to ∞ steps of DDD can't make it past the above line of code
>>>>>>>>> no matter
>>>>>>>>> what.
>>>>>>>> That line being the call to itself -> it can't simulate itself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *DDD NEVER HALTS*
>>>>>>>> DDD ONLY calls HHH...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> void DDD()
>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>> HHH(DDD);
>>>>>>> return;
>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DDD correctly emulated by any pure function HHH that
>>>>>>> correctly emulates 1 to ∞ lines of DDD can't make it
>>>>>>> to the second line of DDD no matter what.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, DDD does if HHH(DDD) returns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You have a dead cat in your driveway does not mean that
>>>>> you have a peanut butter sandwich on your front porch.
>>>>> It has taken you at least 1000 messages to see that.
>>>>>
>>>>> DDD correctly emulated by any pure function HHH that
>>>>> correctly emulates 1 to ∞ lines of DDD can't make it
>>>>> to the second line of DDD no matter what.
>>>>
>>>> WRONG, you don't seem to understand the difference between DDD and
>>>> HHH's emualtion of it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Would you bet your immortal soul that DDD simulated
>>> by HHH (as provided above) would terminate normally?
>>>
>>
>> That is a ambiguous statement, showing your attempt at deciet.
>>
>
> We stipulate that the only measure of a correct emulation
> is the semantics of the x86 programming language. By this
> measure when 1 to ∞ steps of DDD are correctly emulated
> by each pure function x86 emulator HHH (of the infinite
> set of every HHH that can possibly exist) then DDD cannot
> possibly reach its own machine address of 00002174 and halt.
And thus you stipulate that you are a LIAR.
By the semantic of the x86 programming language, the only correct
simulation is a FULL simulation that proceeds to the final insttuction
as that is what the x86 language defines, and thus NO HHH can correct
simulate less than an infinite number of instructions of the program
DDD, and in doing so spends virtually all of its time emulationg the
instructions of HHH, showing that it will never halt.
When you admit to HHH not being actually a correct emulator and let it
abort, and return, we can then establish that a DDD that calls such a
PARTIAL emulator HHH will be finite and return even though the PARTAL
emulation by that HHH mever sees it because it stops too soon,
>
> _DDD()
> [00002163] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping
> [00002164] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping
> [00002166] 6863210000 push 00002163 ; push DDD
> [0000216b] e853f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DDD)
> [00002170] 83c404 add esp,+04
> [00002173] 5d pop ebp
> [00002174] c3 ret
> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002174]
>
> Will you bet your immortal soul that any of the above
> DDD of DDD/HHH pairs reach their own machine address
> of 00002174 and halt?
>
Sure, because it is clearly true that EVERY DDD that calls an HHH(DDD)
that returns will get to that final return, even though its HHH will
never simulate its copy of it to that point, because it aborts its
PARTIAL simulation and lies to itself about what it is doing (or more
accurately, YOU LIED TO YOURSELF about the behavior of HHH and claimed a
falsehood) and thus gets the wrong andwer.
> Claiming ambiguity without specifically pointing this
> out will be construed as deception thus swearing your
> allegiance to the father of lies.
>
But you have already made that pledge, so yI guess you are just lost.
No ambiguity about that claim, DDD definitly gets to the return when run
if HHH(DDD) returns.
The ambiguity comes up when you use wording that half implies you are
looking at the (partial) simulation but also implies you are looking at
the actual behavior.
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Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-11 10:14 +0300
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Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-10 20:01 -0400
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-11 10:15 +0300
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-11 09:44 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 20:23 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-08 22:01 -0400
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 21:06 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-08 22:13 -0400
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 21:44 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-08 22:59 -0400
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 23:01 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 07:29 -0400
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 09:44 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 22:52 -0400
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-09 09:28 +0300
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 09:24 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 22:52 -0400
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-10 10:27 +0300
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-09 09:22 +0300
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 09:19 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-09 16:38 +0200
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 09:46 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-09 17:21 +0200
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 11:44 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-09 18:51 +0200
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 12:02 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-09 18:55 +0000
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-09 22:31 +0200
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 16:18 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-10 04:01 +0000
DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 23:19 -0500
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-10 13:27 +0000
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 08:41 -0500
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-10 20:01 -0400
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 19:24 -0500
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt, thinks olcott, but it does. Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-10 20:37 -0400
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt, thinks olcott, but it does. olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 20:01 -0500
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt, thinks olcott, but it does. Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-10 21:11 -0400
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 20:21 -0500
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-10 21:50 -0400
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-11 09:51 -0500
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-11 22:08 -0400
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-11 21:28 -0500
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-11 23:18 -0400
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-11 22:30 -0500
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-12 08:05 +0000
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-12 07:08 -0500
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-12 15:02 +0200
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-12 09:51 -0500
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-12 22:36 +0200
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-13 11:04 +0300
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-12 19:10 -0400
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-13 23:00 +0000
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-13 18:12 -0500
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-13 19:42 -0400
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt Because HHH that correctly simulates does not Halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-12 07:15 -0400
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-12 07:28 -0500
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-12 15:18 +0200
Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-12 13:41 +0000
Re: DDD correctly but partially emulated by HHH cannot possibly be seen to halt by HHH, but do halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-12 19:23 -0400
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-10 09:13 +0200
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 07:37 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-10 16:09 +0200
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 09:16 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-10 16:41 +0200
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 09:53 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-10 19:38 +0200
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 12:41 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-10 20:19 +0200
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-11 10:22 +0300
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-11 09:49 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-11 22:08 -0400
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-12 12:08 +0300
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-12 08:35 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-13 11:12 +0300
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-13 07:44 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-14 11:37 +0300
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters -- Professor Hehner olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-14 10:02 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters -- Professor Hehner Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-14 17:41 -0400
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters -- Professor Hehner Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-15 10:25 +0300
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters -- Professor Hehner olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-15 08:07 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters -- Professor Hehner Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-16 09:54 +0300
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-12 12:01 +0200
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-12 07:33 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-12 14:53 +0200
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-12 08:45 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-12 13:57 +0000
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-12 16:42 +0200
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-12 13:43 +0000
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters ---clarification olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 16:22 -0500
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Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 14:09 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 14:26 -0500
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 22:52 -0400
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 22:52 -0400
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 22:52 -0400
Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-10 10:36 +0300
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